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Replying to: fintail (Feb 21, 2009 9:29 am) Problem is, nobody has done a comparison test between the Enclave and its competitors yet. (Hint; Steve, get the crew on it.)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Feb 21, 2009 9:54 am) Try tweeting Karl. 
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Feb 20, 2009 3:27 am) Especially since the Enclave is badged as a Buick and not a Cadillac; many people still don't see Buick as a Lexus equal. (which, outside of the Enclave and forthcoming LaCrosse, it isn't a Lexus equal) The Enclave is not overpriced in the low $40s, but when you start hitting the $50K mark that's a little pricey, especially when the RX comes rather well equipped under $50K. And once again, the Q7 option is there, although at $50K, you're not looking at much of a Q7.
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Replying to: jchan2 (Feb 21, 2009 11:11 pm) http://www.edmunds.com/apps/nvc/edmunds/VehicleComparison?styleid=100975629&styl- eid=101109522&styleid=101035082&styleid=101063913&styleid=101037439&maxvehicles=- 5&refid=&op=3&tab=features |
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If GM thinks they have really closed the quality gap, do these two things simultaneously. Reduce consumer rebate/incentive by $1,500 and offer a 5 year/60,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty with no deductible. Consumers would be "insured" against non-routine costs and GM would make more money. If it works for Hyundai/Kia, why shouldn't it work for GM?
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Replying to: smalltown (Feb 22, 2009 7:15 am) |
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Replying to: smalltown (Feb 22, 2009 7:15 am) I just checked Honda Pilot, 3 years, 36000 miles and 5 years 60000 on powertrain. Not good. I just check Toyo and they are 3 years 36000 miles and 6 years 60000 miles on powertrain. Buick looks much better, doesn't it?
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Feb 22, 2009 7:29 am)
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Replying to: vinnyny (Feb 22, 2009 10:59 pm) People need to make up their minds. They criticize that warranty isn't long enough for GMs. Then when that's shown to no longer be true, it's that the only thing that matters is resale cost. Then when one points out that the real comparison is cost to purchase, which is often below MSRP for cars, it will be some other factor to try to minimize GM's value. Gimme a break. The reality is that the same cars being touted here as wunderkars because they bring more tradein dollars are held hostage by the new car dealer for more dollars because they are perceived, perceived by some people to have fewer problems or some other positive factor making them worth more in the end; therefore they will pay more in the front end costs. Somehow local dealers of the pop culture foreign brands seem to think they are selling Enron shares. Then there's the reality of the maintenance costs and the mandatory visits to the dealership for the required service using only their special priced fluids, mechanics, etc., at only the dealership. The posts on the foreign car topics I visit indicate many people are over-maintained at their for profit dealerships. At the same time the ratings from JD Powers are indicated there are trivial differences in numbers of problems between the pop foreign brands and quality US brands, some people still feel they are happy to pay more to buy, maintain, and get possibly more at resale. That is not lower cost. In the same threads I mentioned above, there are people complaining about seat comfort, VCM hunting, transmission failures, and other things which make it clear that the cars from certain other manufacturers have regressed to the mean. People are even trading their cars because they are told by the companies the cars are supposed to operate that way! Resale resale values may not stay higher as reality of the problems sets in.
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Feb 23, 2009 4:36 am) Dex-cool ring a bell? At the same time the ratings from JD Powers are indicated there are trivial differences in numbers of problems between the pop foreign brands and quality US brands, JD Power only measures "initial quality," not the number of problems over the lifetime of a vehicle. The best data for that seems to be Consumer Reports (not that it's wonderful but it's better than nothing), which tends to indicate that GM, while having improved recently, still has more problems over the lifetime of the car than a Ford or a Honda, or even Hyundai in some cases.
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