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What if you were in charge of GM?

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Re: Time for GM to Get Real [jchan2] by cooterbfd
Feb 20, 2009 (3:27 am)
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Replying to: jchan2 (Feb 19, 2009 8:02 pm)

Have you seen, driven or sat in an Enclave?? It is the equal to the vehicles you mention. It gets great hwy fuel economy (24) for a vehicle of it's size, and is much prettier (my opinion).
 
If It's their equal , it can be priced like them.
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Re: Time for GM to Get Real [cooterbfd] by fintail
Feb 21, 2009 (9:29 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Feb 20, 2009 3:27 am)

That might not be the best strategy when you are trying to gain (or regain) market share. They should probably try to be equal at the very least, if not better - and cheaper. This is one of the strategies Lexus used.
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Re: Time for GM to Get Real [fintail] by cooterbfd
Feb 21, 2009 (9:54 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Feb 21, 2009 9:29 am)

".....They should probably try to be equal at the very least, if not better - and cheaper."
 
Problem is, nobody has done a comparison test between the Enclave and its competitors yet. (Hint; Steve, get the crew on it.)
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Re: Time for GM to Get Real [cooterbfd] by steve_ HOST
Feb 21, 2009 (10:55 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Feb 21, 2009 9:54 am)

Well, I'm closer to the home office than you are but it's still a long walk to get to editorial.
 
Try tweeting Karl.
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Re: Time for GM to Get Real [cooterbfd] by jchan2
Feb 21, 2009 (11:11 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Feb 20, 2009 3:27 am)

I have seen the Enclave, but if you're going to capture sales from the imports, you can't equal them on everything- you have to beat them on everything, including price.
Especially since the Enclave is badged as a Buick and not a Cadillac; many people still don't see Buick as a Lexus equal. (which, outside of the Enclave and forthcoming LaCrosse, it isn't a Lexus equal)
 
The Enclave is not overpriced in the low $40s, but when you start hitting the $50K mark that's a little pricey, especially when the RX comes rather well equipped under $50K.
 
And once again, the Q7 option is there, although at $50K, you're not looking at much of a Q7.
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Re: Time for GM to Get Real [jchan2] by cooterbfd
Feb 22, 2009 (5:20 am)
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Replying to: jchan2 (Feb 21, 2009 11:11 pm)

I know this is no substitute for a real test drive, but check out this comparison I pulled up in terms of base price (I pulled up for what I believe to be the top of the line versions of 5 models, all in AWD), and available options:
 
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/nvc/edmunds/VehicleComparison?styleid=100975629&styl- eid=101109522&styleid=101035082&styleid=101063913&styleid=101037439&maxvehicles=- 5&refid=&op=3&tab=features
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here's the deal by smalltown
Feb 22, 2009 (7:15 am)
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If GM thinks they have really closed the quality gap, do these two things simultaneously. Reduce consumer rebate/incentive by $1,500 and offer a 5 year/60,000 mile bumper-to-bumper warranty with no deductible. Consumers would be "insured" against non-routine costs and GM would make more money. If it works for Hyundai/Kia, why shouldn't it work for GM?
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Re: here's the deal [smalltown] by cooterbfd
Feb 22, 2009 (7:23 am)
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Replying to: smalltown (Feb 22, 2009 7:15 am)

They are close to that already. Buicks have 4yr/50k mile bumper to bumper, and the 5yr/100k powertrain warranty. HOWEVER, unlike Hyundai/Kia, if you were to purchase the car used, (1 yr old) or sell it to someone, the powertrain warranty is transferrable. Hyundai/ Kia's is not.
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Re: here's the deal [smalltown] by imidazol97
Feb 22, 2009 (7:29 am)
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Replying to: smalltown (Feb 22, 2009 7:15 am)

The warranty on the Enclave is 4 years and 50,000 miles, drivetrain 5 years, 100,000 miles.
 
I just checked Honda Pilot, 3 years, 36000 miles and 5 years 60000 on powertrain. Not good.
 
I just check Toyo and they are 3 years 36000 miles and 6 years 60000 miles on powertrain.
 
Buick looks much better, doesn't it?
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Re: here's the deal [imidazol97] by vinnyny
Feb 22, 2009 (10:59 pm)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Feb 22, 2009 7:29 am)

In overall ownership costs, warranty terms are trivial. Resale value is the only thing that really matters in total ownership costs. A couple mpg one way or the other makes little difference. An extended warranty might cost you a grand (ballpark guesstimate). But when you put the Enclave up against the Toyota Highlander, Lexus RX, Honda Pilot and others, it get's spanked. The dealer won't care that your Enclave has a year left on its warranty while the comparable ToyHonda has no warranty. The foreigner will bring in more trade-in dollars relative to its MSRP than the GM. Sad, but true.

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