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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 04, 2008 8:37 am) How many supported bailing out the greedy scheming manipulative banks? And yet here we are, with untold trillions that will eventually be spent. And the people have absolutely no recourse, when it comes down to it. I'd like to see a big overpaid suit 2.5 address the image problem, and not simply dismiss it as some grand liberal elitist media conspiracy. |
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 04, 2008 8:37 am) That is the biggest understatement tonight! A few DECENT PRODUCTS. They also have devastating timing. Haven't they always? The economic downturn was the final straw to a system doomed for years. Like I said,the buck stops with the C.E.O. Your job is well compensated to allow immediate severance upon failure. When it continues for years, something is really wrong with your industry, let alone your particular company. I assume that's why these guys are bullet proof because of the massive web of confusion. Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Dec 04, 2008 6:29 pm) That is a MOST astute statement. These big corporate boards are so intertwined that it is impossible to penetrate inside unless you are born in or groomed in. Fintail has mentioned this more than once. The corporate web in America is tied to the Congress and we are just the masses waiting to see what happens next. While I would not want Wagoner's job. I think he is way past his chance to make GM a viable company. I believe he has systematically sold off the cream of GM and was probably compensated in ways we will never know. Right now it is a worthless shell and the stock price is about right. If all the parts get sold off it will be lucky to pay the creditors. That leaves a big problem for the tax payers. How much do the retirees get from those that were not part of the debacle? The Enron employees got ZERO.... Life has tough lessons.
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 04, 2008 9:25 pm) I used to think, when I was in college, that large corporations were like a large line of railroad cars. The engineer, the leader, was in the massive diesel engine, hand confindently on the throttle; behind him, in the first passenger car, his Board, passing and receiving messages to and fro the long line of cars, which were filled with other employees, precious goods, etc. Then, as I got a bit older, I thought well maybe it's not *quite* so orderly. Maybe there is an occasional struggle for the throttle in that big front diesel locomotive, and the "best man wins" and takes confident control every now and then. Now, as I gaze on the goings on in Detroit and Washington, apparently (if I am wrong, someone open mine eyes) I see that the only thing in the massive diesel locomotive is a thin piece of twine rope tied around the throttle, wide open and consuming fuel, with no one in the compartment, while a party was going on in the cars behind.
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 05, 2008 9:15 am) Fundamentals and morality goes away as greed filters in to the locomotive and then everyone parties while Rome burns! egards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Dec 05, 2008 10:57 am) What we have is 2 parties both paid for by the same corporations and lobbied by the same lobbyists. The government gives concessions, breaks, loans, bailouts, eminent domain to these corporations and businesses, who in turn give privately and to the campaigns of the politicians. What they're leaving behind is $11+ trillion in debt just on the federal level, and a system that is going to use up our Social Security funds. And we'll be lucky to avoid a Depression in the next few years, not just this recession. I think many people think this is about as bad as it can get? and that a turn around is just around the corner? I don't see that happening as more people are losing jobs, people are still in debt on credit cards, people have little home equity, and the government is running out of ways to help (almost broke, and not much further to lower interest rates). |
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Rebuilding GM As everyone knows GM is now undergoing a desperate crisis and has come to the American taxpayer hat in hand for a substantial loan. The Democratically controlled congress has asked that GM produce a business plan before considering the release of the funds. I wholeheartedly agree with not throwing good money after bad. I think I want to take a shot at being Rick Wagoner for a day and see what I could come up with. In order to identify the solution to a problem, one must articulate point by point what those problems are and how to address them. Here are the major issues which are making GM as is unsustainable: 1. Too many brands, many utilize the same engineering components with inconsistent results. For example the automotive community has widely praised the Chevy Malibu, which is regarded as an excellent family car. Its platform mate, the Pontiac G6, has been received with much less enthusiasm. GM should go from eight to four brands, getting rid of Hummer, Saab, GMC, and Saturn; keeping Chevrolet, Buick, Pontiac and Cadillac. Each of the remaining brands would become distinct in mission and purpose with little overlap. 2. High labor and Legacy costs. This is a sticky issue for many but the fact is that these costs put the General at a $1,500-$3,000.00 per car cost disadvantage versus Honda and Toyota, which use their advantage to market high quality compacts such as the Civic and Corolla. GM on their lower cost cars is forced to compromise on engineering, standard features and build quality in order to make profit. GM taking the steps to reduce the number of brands will call for a reduction in workforce, which in turn will help with the costs. Also this is an area where taxpayer funds might be best used. 3. GM runs a bloated and overpaid management system. Toyota and Honda run far leaner management per number of cars sold than the General and their executives are not paid nearly the salaries of any of the big three, yet their respective companies are very well managed. 4. GM needs a couple of clean burning diesels in its line up. A 2.5L Four cylinder and a 3.5L V-6. Volkswagen, Mercedes and Honda, have proven that diesel engines if engineered properly can be clean and quiet running. The real world mileage advantages can be extraordinary. The Volkswagen, Jetta TDI for example gets over 42 mpg in real world testing. Here are my ideas to address some of these issues and for a future product mix. In order to protect itself from its immediate situation GM should go ahead and proceed with Chap 11 and start restructuring. This will allow GM to shed some of it’s over burdensome labor contracts. The government can step in with funds to insure that during this period that all warranty work will be covered in full. GM and Congressional leaders should hold a national televised press conference in prime time to explain to the American public what this entails and to ensure the public that GM is not going out of business and that there is a plan in place to address the company’s problems. Now the General can begin restructuring itself, eliminating brands and putting its resources where they can gain the best results. Here is where to trim the fat: Hummer: There is really no need for this brand to continue. The Hummer vehicles of today are nothing more than re-badged Chevrolets. The H2 is just a re-skinned Suburban and the H3 is just a four door body shell over a Colorado pick up truck frame. The ones you see our military use are made by AM General and not GM as is widely believed. Saab: There is not a reason to really hang on to this low volume maker. Many Saab loyalists gave up on the brand after the GM takeover. Saab lacks the prestige of Jaguar, Mercedes and BMW and does little to add to the bottom line. Sell it. GMC: This brand is nothing more than pure badge engineering at its worst. There is not a dime’s difference between the GMC’s and Chevrolets mechanically. It is just a different grill and trim. Saturn: This brand was conceived as Honda/Toyota killer almost two decades ago. Its unique business model, plastic bodied cars and culture of one-price fits all garnered a lot of interest. All of that is now gone and the Saturn cars are just re-badged versions of other GM products. It has two unique entries; the Vue and the Astra, neither of which are at the top of their respective classes. So under my plan the four remaining players: Chevrolet, Pontiac, Buick and Cadillac would have the following dealer couplings: Chevrolet-Pontiac Buick-Cadillac. I would engineer the brand’s lineups as follows: Chevrolet: The mission of this brand would be to offer a wide range of family oriented products, this would be volume leader. Aveo: ($13,000-$17,000) Refine and re-engineer this car in terms of quality and performance. Work with Daewoo (The car’s actual maker) to develop gasoline and hybrid versions of this car; aim for a starting price of 13K for the standard model and equip it to match the Honda Fit. Also a Hybrid version for $16,500.00 with mileage close to 50 mpg would certainly help with CAFE regulations and undercut the Toyota Prius by five grand. Cobalt: Drop this model. It consistently rates low with most critics and loses money for GM. Other than the Turbo SS, the Cobalt is not a class leader. Cruze: ($17000-$24,000) Develop this car as an up-market alternative to Civic, Mazda3 and Corolla. Make it slightly larger and roomier than the three aforementioned competitors. Offer coupe, five door hatchback and sedan versions of the car with three different engine choices. The base or “efficiency model” would have a 1.5 turbo 4 cylinder that will get close to 40Mpg. The up-level model would receive 2.4L that puts out 160Hp. Also offer a Hybrid version of the 2.4 and aim for the high 30’s in mpg. “Cruze” Crossover ($21,000-$27,000) Replace the current Equinox with a crossover that will seat five in standard trim and option it for seven similar to the RAV4. Offer both a 2.4L 4 cylinder as standard and a 3.6L V6 as the up-level engine. Also offer a 2.5L turbo diesel for towing and higher mileage. Malibu: ($21,000-$28,000) Increase the width by 2-3 inches (That is the biggest complaint people have about this car) Refine the steering feel. Replace the Hybrid with a 2.4L turbo diesel engine. With a six speed auto box this set up will get 35 or more MPG and have plenty of low end torque and drivability. Increase the six cylinder engine to 270Hp to match the Accord and Camry. Find a way to decrease the curb weight. Offer coupe and hatch versions of this car as well and one high performance model with the 3.6 DI V-6 trimmed to 280Hp with more aggressive suspension settings. Impala: A slightly wider Malibu with a couple of more inches of wheelbase would make this outdated car redundant; drop it from the line up. Transverse: ($28,000-$35,000) leave this intact while finding a way
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Camaro: Leave it as planned; this would be Joe Six Pack’s sporty ride. Corvette: To remove it further from the Camaro, switch to a mid engine set up. Also drop the “Chevrolet” designation and sell as a standalone product. Volt: This is a great piece of tech, GM most now work hard to make this EREV affordable to the majority of middle class car shoppers. Trucks: Leave as is. GM trucks have the highest overall rating by CR. Automobile, R&T etc… SUV’s Eliminate all Truck-Based SUV’s except the Suburban and offer it in two lengths and wheelbases similar to what Ford does with the current expedition. The Transverse is what about 95% of mid to fullsize SUV buyers really need. The ‘Burb is only better for towing and hauling really heavy loads. Pontiac: Pontiac needs to be reborn as a more sporty division, with different products than Chevrolet. Hence everything in the current line-up except the G8 needs to be fully replaced and here is the mix: Solstice: Keep this roadster and continue to refine it further. Furthermore the Kappa platform on which it is based can be used to underpin other Pontiac projects. G5: ($18,500-$24,000) Replace the current Cobalt clone with a compact rear wheel drive 2+2 and rear wheel drive 4-door. Also offer a model with a removable top. The base engine should be a 170HP version of the 2.4L and the up-level engine should be a 260HP turbo version of same. The up-level version will replace the Cobalt SS. The cars should have a taunt Euro feel and aggressive styling. In concept these would be a BMW 1 series for much less. “Kappa” crossover ($23,000-$25,000): Replace the Toyota Matrix cloned Vibe with a compact crossover based on the Kappa Chassis, offer both G5 engines and optional all wheel drive G8: ($27,000-$32,000) Beef the V6 up to 300HP and keep the current V8. Also add a low volume 2 door to the line up. In the following year, phase in a hardtop convertible to replace the defunct G6. Buick: Would serve as GM’s near luxury brand, similar to the Acura TL, Lexus ES 350 and Mercedes C Class. Lacrosse: ($26,000-$32,000) Move to the Epsilon platform (Malibu) and offer a standard 3.6 with 275HP a six speed auto and standard leather, power everything, etc Offer a 3.5L Diesel as an alternative engine choice for those seeking better gas mileage. Tune the suspension soft in the standard trim and offer a slightly firmer GS version as well. Rivera: ($27,500-33,000) a low volume 2 door based on the Lacrosse with distinct styling and all the same engine options. Lucerne: Front Drive + V8 = Second Rate performer-Kill this outdated thing. Park Avenue ($31,000-$38,000) a full size 4 Door that replaces the Lucerne. This would be a rear wheel drive car (Holden Chassis) with a base 3.6DI engine with 290HP. The up-level model would have a 4.6L V8 with 330HP. Both tuned for a softer ride than the G8. As an alternative engine offer a 3.5L V6 Diesel as a higher gas mileage alternative. Enclave: Leave as is but offer a 3.5L V6 Turbo-Diesel as an engine alternative to the standard V-6. Cadillac: This is the flagship division. This is the top end in performance and luxury. BLS: ($28,000-$35,000) this would be the base Caddy, taking over for the original CTS and would be built on a shortened Sigma Chassis. It would act as a 1 series competitor with rear wheel drive and a 300HP 3.6V6 as the standard engine. Offer both 6 speed manual and automatic transmissions. Tune it with a taunt suspension and equip it similar to the 3.5TL. CTS: ($35,000-$45,000) this would be a rear wheel drive 5 series/M45/E Class competitor. The base engine would be 3.6L liter V6 tuned to 305HP With an Optional 3.5L V6 Diesel as a higher gas mileage model. The top engine would be a turbo version putting out 350HP. All wheel drive would also be an option. Offer both coupe and sedan variants. SRX: ($40,000-$47000) this crossover would be based on the CTS above and offer the same engine choices. DTS: see Buick Lucerne, kill this underperformer. SLS: (super luxury sedan) ($50,000-$65,000), this would be the true rear wheel drive. flagship luxury sedan for Cadillac and GM and replaces the DTS. The standard engine would be a 5.0L Northstar V-8 with an out put of 400Hp and an 8 speed automatic, to match the specs of the S-Class and LS460. This car would be loaded to the nines with everything. Both a short wheelbase and longer wheelbase executive models would be offered. CTSV-update to the new larger CTS body, but keep the current ultra high performance engine and suspension. Escalade, Escalade EXT: Cadillac needs to get out of the truck business. Well that is my product mix which weeds out the mediocre cars GM currently has and replaces them with cars that exceed the competitors’ offerings at every level. Furthermore my plan also keeps overlap and redundant models to a minimum while satisfying a broad range of consumers. Reducing brands means a smaller GM with less employees, but it will insure GM survives as a more flexible and competitive entity which most importantly is profitable. It is my hope that GM survives and has the best cars on the market in every single class. It would do my heart good to see GM cars come out the winner in almost every comparison test in every magazine, and to be able to read across a spread sheet and see the GM car the best in cornering, slalom, acceleration, and gas mileage against every car in its segment and to have the best 5 year reliability to boot. With few brands to mess with it will be easier for GM engineers and designers to achieve this. There are other issues that GM should address. Such as being the first to field an affordable Hydrogen car and supporting infrastructure. The Volt is a good start, but gas-hybrids and extended range electrics are stepping stones to the real solution of fuel cell cars. |
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Replying to: georgecavalier (Nov 02, 2008 6:44 am) I'd be looking for a new job. 
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