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What if you were in charge of GM?

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Re: If I were in charge [dave8697] by bpizzuti
Dec 02, 2008 (5:46 am)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 01, 2008 4:08 pm)

1. Lobby...
2. Lobby...
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13. Lobby...

 
So in other words, your plan for GM is for them to keep doing what they've been doing all along?
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Re: If I were in charge [dave8697] by xrunner2
Dec 02, 2008 (7:35 am)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 01, 2008 4:08 pm)

9. lobby to get the gov't to buy all unused plants and real estate owned by GM but not being utilized
10. lobby to get gov't to have all buyers of new foreign cars (defined by company ownership) audited. (includes leasing and rentals)
12. Get states to exempt D3 workers from state income tax, and collect that lost revenue from auto workers in foreign owned plants, equally divided among all of them.

 
OK. I will jump in on this silliness.
 
On #9, lobby Congress to pass law that all owners of GM branded vehicles in the U.S. have to pony up $1,000 each to buy defunct GM plants and real estate. Any excess funds would just be given to GM to do with as it sees fit. Let the supporters of GM support "their" company. Owners would be found by doing 50 State DOT data base search. GM could have TV commercials touting how the ordinary U.S. citizens are patriotic and are helping an American icon and institution.
Wagoner would be the speaker and he would be standing in front of a Suburban and would have U.S. flags prominently displayed.
 
Any bailout of GM by Congress should have conditions:
 
On #12, require that State legislatures having GM plants to put on surcharge tax on difference in hourly wage of UAW worker and Honda/Toyota worker. If total package wage of U.S. GM worker is $73 and U.S. Toyota worker is $43, than a 20% surcharge tax should be levied on $30 and the surcharge receipts go to state education fund targetted at re-educating UAW workers.
 
On #10, might as well add in anyone who buys "any" product not made in the U.S. Those buyers of American brand vehicles who have "foreign" brand TVs, VCRS, DVD recorders/players, computers, printers, other electronics, cameras, microwave ovens, etc., would also be auditted.
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driving to the brink of ruin by steve_ HOST
Dec 02, 2008 (7:49 am)
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"Porsche executives savaged rival carmakers yesterday for driving the industry to the brink of ruin and accused banks of forcing sound component supplier companies out of business."
 
Porsche predicts hedge fund takeover of GM and/or Ford
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Re: If I were in charge [gagrice] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Dec 02, 2008 (10:00 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 01, 2008 7:20 pm)

Nobody needs to help Washington to look bad. Hedge funds, derivatives (sold as insurance instead of as stock) , oil futures (not regulated like other commodities!!)---all these are the product of a complete lack of supervision and regulation. A idea or a practice is not dependent on who is thinking it or doing it for the idea to be good or bad. The sharks smelled blood because somebody dropped a three course meal in the water. Who did what is not the issue. The issue is how to stop repeating old mistakes.
 
I certainly don't want taxpayer monies used to fatten up the automakers for hedge fund managers.
 
I see where the Big Three are driving fuel-efficient cars to DC this time and leaving the jets behind.
 
Close barn door, horse gone.
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Re: driving to the brink of ruin [steve_] by nippononly
Dec 02, 2008 (12:31 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 02, 2008 7:49 am)

Wiedeking makes good points. Add two to the list of reasons I am against the bailout.
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Re: driving to the brink of ruin [nippononly] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Dec 02, 2008 (3:40 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Dec 02, 2008 12:31 pm)

Just read where GM wants 18 BILLION bucks to avoid "total collapse".
 
Holy crap! 18 Billion!
 
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""There isn't a Plan B," said Chief Operating Officer Fritz Henderson. "Absent support, frankly, the company just can't fund its operations." He said GM would need $10 billion to $12 billion by late March"
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Re: driving to the brink of ruin [Mr_Shiftright] by fezo
Dec 02, 2008 (4:06 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Dec 02, 2008 3:40 pm)

That does make the eyes pop.
 
Then, after much talk to the contrary, their only elimination of brands is to try and sell Saab (who is buying?), well or kill Saturn (getting warmer) and make Pontiac a niche brand. Pardon me for saying so but hasn't the market already done that?
 
If Pontiac is a niche brand what the heck is Buick with three models? I'm getting confused...
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Re: driving to the brink of ruin [fezo] by fezo
Dec 02, 2008 (4:38 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (Dec 02, 2008 4:06 pm)

Yikes! Just looked at the numbers for the month. They sold 852 Saabs in November. Yes, that's the whole country. What do you figure the market wants for that company?
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Re: driving to the brink of ruin [fezo] by bpizzuti
Dec 02, 2008 (5:48 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (Dec 02, 2008 4:06 pm)

Needed: Chevy, Cadillac
 
Not needed: any brand not named Chevy or Cadillac.
 
When are they going to get this? Note that car company with the blue oval logo, which only has three core brands plus a Swede, and is doing mucho better than General Morons right now, with 6 brands plus a Swede? And that particular Swede sells nothing unique, so it's really 7?
 
I guess I'd do nothing if I were in charge of GM...apparently I don't meet the job requirements: my IQ is higher than 5.
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Re: driving to the brink of ruin [bpizzuti] by fezo
Dec 02, 2008 (5:50 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Dec 02, 2008 5:48 pm)

We could fix you up with a lobotomy...

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