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Article Comments - 2009 Chevrolet Cobalt LS Sedan XFE Full Test

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2009 Chevrolet Cobalt LS Sedan XFE Full Test - Bottom Line: Most small cars are moving upscale in look and feel, but the Cobalt LS XFE a throwback to that previous bare-bones tradition. (more)


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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Chevrolet Cobalt LS Sedan XFE Full Test [KarenS] by dispencer2
Nov 08, 2008 (12:14 pm)
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Replying to: KarenS (Oct 31, 2008 8:57 am)

I have some problems with the road test. First off, the mileage difference between a bare bones LS XFE and my 09 LT1 coupe that has all the basics -automatic, cruise, power windows, power locks, power mirrors, keyless entry etc along with better seats is minimal. Why be uncomfortable for a couple of miles per gallon. I can always drive slower if I have problems with gas mileage, I have the same tires as the XFE. Apparently all LSs and LT1s have the same tires - Continentals. I do not have ABS. I drive mostly in a small town and see no real advantage in ABS. I got my car off the lot so I didn't have an option. I drove for 40 years without ABS and am still here. A downside with ABS is sensor replacement at 60-80k miles. The sensors are expensive and not covered under the old warranties. I have no problem with handling. I'm not trying to run an obstacle course -I just drive the car normally. When you turn the wheel to the left the car goes left. Same as when you turn the wheel to the right or drive in a straight line. I don't have traction control either. I have a Cadillac with all that stuff on it and use it mainly for road trips. I get 30 mpg on the road with my 03 Cadillac DeVille.
 
If the difference in cost between a stripped XFE and a decently equipped LT1 is important then go buy a used 08 LT1 or LT2. They are all over the place with under 10,000 miles and cost less than a new XFE with cheap seats and no power windows. I rented a Caliper in Baltimore a couple of weeks ago and it had no options at all except automatic. It was a pain winding down windows, adjusting mirrors, and having no keyless entry. I rented a Cobalt LT1 Sedan a week later in Philadelphia and it had all the basics. The lack of cruise control was a pain -I had to drive to Harrisburg - but I could live with it.
 
In short, I have a problem with road test people determining handling by driving at various speeds among cones and trying not to hit them. People don't drive like that and I've never driven any car that didn't handle normally -even a Corvair!. Frankly I discount all road tests. I drive a car or cars myself and choose one depending on my own preferences.
 
One problem with the Cobalt and other cars I've owned -like my 06 Impala - is the short seat. After a couple of hours your thighs hurt because they have no support under them. You try and scrunch back in the seat and there is no place to go. Road test people rarely do long term tests and never mention this. My Cadillac is fine. You can drive for days without any discomfort . Another problem is the relatively small trunk opening. It is annoying to have to load large boxes through the door. There is plenty of room but lousy access. I think that the road test was biased. The off the cuff photo of the window crank pointed to the tester's annoyance because basic equipment was lacking and that colored the review. You get what you pay for.
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Chevrolet Cobalt LS Sedan XFE Full Test [dispencer2] by powderkegg
Nov 08, 2008 (5:35 pm)
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Replying to: dispencer2 (Nov 08, 2008 12:14 pm)

I have an 08 XFE and the Air Conditioner has no impact on my mileage. I have run the same trip numerous time with windows closed and AC on and windows open AC off and no mpg difference. And my XFE came with Goodyear Integrity tires. I have yet to drive in the snow with them but all other conditions the tires do very well. They do make a little extra noise on groved concrete, but I don't drive much on that so the noise isn't an issue.
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Chevrolet Cobalt LS Sedan XFE Full Test [powderkegg] by dispencer2
Nov 09, 2008 (12:57 pm)
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Replying to: powderkegg (Nov 08, 2008 5:35 pm)

As I recall my Impala had Integrity tires. They were just fine. I frankly don't think that there is anything different about the XFE tires. Frankly tires are tires. When I replace them I usually go with the same brand and size that were on when new. I figure that GM knows more about appropriate tires than I do. I am sorry though that I don't have alloy wheels on my LT1. As I said I got it off the lot. I would have gotten an LT2 if I'd ordered one.
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??? by scottl
Nov 23, 2008 (4:48 pm)
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Either Edmund's car was screwed up, or they don't know how to drive. I just returned an '08 LS Auto 2.2 Cobalt Coupe that I had rented and drove 800 miles. I flogged the heck out of the car, including 400 miles at over 80mph on I-70 in western CO and UT, and I got 34mpg. Actual measurement, not using the on dash display. I am for the most part a foreign car guy, but I was very impressed by the Cobalt. If GM could get the cheesiness out of the hard plastic on the dash, and give it some seats worth sitting in, this would be a viable alternative. Especially if they come into the 21st Century and put actual brakes on the rear axle.
 
So close, and yet so far.
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Chevrolet Cobalt LS Sedan XFE Full Test [dispencer2] by thegraduate
Nov 25, 2008 (11:45 am)
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Replying to: dispencer2 (Nov 09, 2008 12:57 pm)

Frankly tires are tires.
 
I couldn't disagree more, but that'd be off-topic. I suggest those interested in replacement tires check out somewhere such as tire-rack to see the differences.
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Chevrolet Cobalt LS Sedan XFE Full Test [thegraduate] by micweb
Nov 25, 2008 (12:05 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 25, 2008 11:45 am)

I think the tirerack.com tire tests are quite good, and the customer comments can be helpful. The one caveat is that everyone there seems to hate OEM (came with the car) tires and in my experience, stock tires are usually much better than the ratings at tire rack would indicate. Several times I changed from low rated factory tires to highly rated aftermarket tires, based on the information at tire rack, only to discover the improvements were minor at best.
 
Consumer Reports is much more reliable, though they don't report on nearly as many tires as tire rack.
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by jdkrup77
Dec 26, 2008 (8:59 pm)
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If Edmunds actually did their research then they would have known that you can get the XFE in a 1LT package with power windows, locks, cruise, keyless entry, and upgraded cloth seats.
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Chevrolet Cobalt LS Sedan XFE Full Test [thegraduate] by dispencer2
Mar 18, 2009 (2:12 pm)
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Replying to: thegraduate (Nov 25, 2008 11:45 am)

I've usually stuck with the same tire that originally came on the car but I've discovered that sometimes the cheapest cars have the most expensive tires. The Continental tires on my Cobalt seem fine and if they hold up I'll replace them with an identical one. The car handles fine and I don't have any problem with the original equipment tires. You are right though. There can be a vast different between tires and I've noticed this in sports cars I've owned. I haven't seen a lot of difference in cars like the Cobalt. Frankly, I think that 'handling" is over rated. Consumer Reports makes a big deal about driving on a track around cones. I don't drive that way so their results aren't very important to me.
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Chevrolet Cobalt LS Sedan XFE Full Test [dispencer2] by vincent67
Jun 05, 2009 (8:55 am)
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Replying to: dispencer2 (Mar 18, 2009 2:12 pm)

I recently bought an 07 LS, and this is my first post on this forum.
 
The stock Continental TouringContact AS tires have been okay for me. I like the ride comfort and low noise (as does my wife, who is very picky about that), and I haven't had any problems with handling on dry or wet roads. The front ones are new, and the rear ones need to be replaced soon. I went online to order two new Contis, but was concerned about all the negative reviews I read. If only for peace of mind, I thought about ordering four new tires (was leaning toward Michelin Harmony). I finally decided to stay with the Contis because, again, I have no problems with them. I don't subject my tires to test track conditions, and I slow down in rain and snow. I can always replace all four later if the Contis don't work out, but my experience so far says that getting two new ones is a safe bet.
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Chevrolet Cobalt LS Sedan XFE Full Test [vincent67] by micweb
Jun 05, 2009 (12:35 pm)
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Replying to: vincent67 (Jun 05, 2009 8:55 am)

I "upgrade" (so I thought at the time) the stock Contis on my '06 Cobalt to Kumho Solus KH4's, a tire which I have used on other cars and think is quite good, comparable to Bridgestone 950's. Unfortunately the Kumho's were noisier and did NOT improve handling or ride. The stock Conti's are actually pretty good tires. I think most of the negative reviews are bogus reviews. That has been my impression from Tire Rack, based on replacing many low-rated "stock" tires with supposedly much better "performance" tires, in same sizes (for example, tons of low ratings on Goodyear LS tires on my stock VW's, but after market Dunlops were no better, etc.).

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