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95 messages, Last post on Dec 03, 2009 at 5:38 PM
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i never cared for vans... in the past... still not sure if i do now.... But, with 3 kids now (with all their stuff) living in suburban USA, well "you need a van," or do you really? My wife has been bugging me for a long time - she won (again) at last. She just chooses the van (trim, color, etc) and my job is to pay for it. We are a single income family. She will drive it most of the time, so basically it's her car. We were all but decided on Honda with all the right reasons you hear about, but at the end we switched to Volkswagen. i don't know... we have all the "logical" reasons for the switch, but there was some emotion too. We always liked the name, Volkswagen, and they just came out with a new van! Emotionally, that alone was enough. My wife is a German, and we both believe in German engineering (i am an aerospace engineer who worked with the Germans), even if it were built in Canada. |
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Replying to: rio_ (Apr 27, 2009 8:56 am) How to find out if the dealer is a whoesale dealer?? Only one way... and that is to ask them... don't let them tell you that the 72 months is not available... i believe they make a little less on the back end.. that is in kickback from the financing company when they get customers to finance through them... What is "hold back"?.... due to the advent of the web, information such as invoice pricing is now readily available... so then if we know how much a dealer paid for the car, how does a dealer make any money? Everyone would want to pay what the dealer paid... there are flat commission fees that the manufacturer pays the dealer regardless but that alone along with minor floor plan support and advertising support from the manufacturer cannot sustain normal day to day business... so the manufacturer has come up with an idea of "hold back" where the base sticker price gets bumped up by 1 - 3 %. The dealer still pays the set invoice price for the car but after the car is sold by the dealer, in about 90 days, the manufactures sends them a check for that 1 - 3 % and thats the hold back... even if the dealer sell the car at invoice price, he/she will still make money on the deal in about 2 -3 months... in todays economy, dealers have opened up to discussing hold back, but normally its kept as something very sacred to them, and seldom do they dip inot that hold back....
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Replying to: krisofseattle (May 16, 2009 7:00 pm) |
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Replying to: jatmobile (May 17, 2009 7:28 am) So if they sold it to me at $10,823 below the sticker, where is that extra $2,800 comes from? from the hold back? it seems a lot for a hold back. When i asked them, they were elusive, saying that they are passing on everything they get from Volkswagen. Are they taking a loss? or is there something else we don't know about? |
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Quote for SEL - Premium for $10,500 off MSRP: good price? Also, what are resell/reliability expectations of this vehicle? Hope for at/near Honda quality? |
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Replying to: ifly3d (May 19, 2009 9:29 pm)
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Replying to: ifly3d (May 19, 2009 9:29 pm) With $6,000 rebate, that's still $2,500 under invoice. i wonder how they make up for it. Does anyone know? When i asked a dealer, they say they take a loss, and i don't believe it. My routan is doing fine so far... Kris Q^iamthat.tk |
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Replying to: kyfdx (May 20, 2009 4:05 am) Reliability appears to correlate with where it is BUILT, not where it was designed. Take odyssey for instance, its reliability went to toilet since it was built in USA, instead of Japan. i think all vans of all brand are now built in USA. So, i would expect the reliability at par with all vans built in USA, and that includes the popular odyssey and sienna, T&C, etc.
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Replying to: krisofseattle (May 20, 2009 12:15 pm) But, my point was... It's a virtual twin of the Chrysler minivan, made in the same Chrysler plant, by Chrysler.. That's why I said to expect similar quality/reliability.. to the Chrysler.. Seems like that's the obvious comparison... at least, to me.. 
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i bought the van with a funny name because it's a Volkswagen. And that is the primary reason. I always admired German brands (even more so than the Japanese). I am a baby boomer and still have a sense of nostalgia over the old Volkswagen. Sorry, but i don't have much faith in American engineering any more. And i am an American engineer. If the car starts to break down, i will get rid of it, and blame it on Volkswagen. The badge gets the pride and the blame (both).
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