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Hybrid Vehicle Maintenance, Repair and Concerns

133 messages,  Last post on Nov 16, 2009 at 3:58 PM

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What is this discussion about? Toyota Prius, Honda Fit Hybrid, Ford Escape Hybrid, Honda Hybrid, Chevrolet Malibu Hybrid, Toyota Highlander Hybrid, Hybrid Cars, Coupe, Hatchback, Truck


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tires and mileage by dber
Apr 08, 2009 (9:20 am)
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My 08 Civic Hybrid with 35K miles has burned through the OEM Dunlop tires averaging just over 50mpg (calculated using overflow fill-ups). Mileage was increasing with tire wear--the last 4K miles on them averaged just over 53mpg.
 
I have replaced with the Dunlops with an 80K mi.Yokohama tire running at a little higher pressure and my mileage has gone in the tank--averaging 46mpg over first thousand miles. Is it these tires, new tires, or can someone offer some other arcane explanation?
 
dber
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tires and mpg by xkmail1
Apr 08, 2009 (10:09 am)
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Yes.
I replaced the stock dunlops with costco michelin x radials, my mpg dropped from 40~ to 32~ overnight.
With 3000 miles break in I have no improvement
running 32psi, then 40psi.
Run the dunlops
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Re: tires and mileage [dber] by kdhspyder
Apr 08, 2009 (3:09 pm)
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Replying to: dber (Apr 08, 2009 9:20 am)

It takes a while for the new tires to become 'broken in'. Many report significantly lower fuel economy after putting on new shoes. The tire is heavier because it has more tread and the thicker tread grips better ( more friction ). A temporary loss of 10% in fuel economy is not unusual.
 
Watch after 5000 miles.
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Re: tires and mileage [kdhspyder] by whitey9
Apr 10, 2009 (9:42 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Apr 08, 2009 3:09 pm)

It is difficult for me to fathom how ANY drop in fuel economy could ever be TEMPORARY with the replacement of tires.
I would expect that loss to be permanent.
If the replacements are less efficient, then I would fully expect the drop to be permanent.
By less efficient, I mean in terms of rolling resistance.
I have seen estimates of from 2%, up to 25% of total fuel economy.
That indeed seems like a very wide varience.
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Re: tires and mileage [kdhspyder] by xkmail1
Apr 10, 2009 (10:13 am)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Apr 08, 2009 3:09 pm)

I have the gas receipts and mileage to show that statement about mpg coming up is false.
I have now over 5000 miles on my costco michelin x radials.
MPG when pulling in to replace tires, average 40-43mpg, straight highway driving at 60-65mph 43 constant, one trip to san diego from los angeles doing 60mph was 58mpg, 118 miles traveled about 2 gallons of gas.
The next tank 30mpg, now 4 months later over 5000 miles at 32mpg~.
On a 3000 lbs car the actual tire losing less than an ounce or two of weight has no scientific or practical reasoning to gain back 10mpg.
The costco michelins saved me about $150 over the dunlops.
Each tank of gas with the michelins is costing me $8 more, In 4 months I have allready lost my savings on the cheaper tire, and used up non-reusable natural resources.
The stock dunlops rock!
If I wasn't so broke I would go to americas tire and get the 4 stock dunlops.
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Re: tires and mileage [xkmail1] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Apr 10, 2009 (10:25 am)
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Replying to: xkmail1 (Apr 10, 2009 10:13 am)

How might a person know if there is confusion here between Causation and merely Correlation? Maybe something happened to the car at the same time the tires were installed...in other words, maybe 2+2 =5 in this case? That's a formidable drop in MPG. Unless the replacement tires were a) much wider and b) put on MUCH larger diameter specialty wheels (which can really eat into MPG) I'm really surprised that this could happen just with a tire brand switch.
 
But live and learn. I guess you could switch back to original tires to prove or disprove the theory.
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Re: Honda Civic Hybrid 2008 [george128] by galileo5
Apr 12, 2009 (5:06 am)
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Replying to: george128 (Mar 13, 2009 5:54 pm)

I saw Honda announce that, too, on its official press release, but from all the Insight test-drive reports I read online, they all say that it cannot run on electric-mode alone.
 
The gas shuts off on the Insight only when it comes to a complete stop or when you're rolling downhill.
 
That is the difference b/t a mild hybrid (Insight) and a full hybrid (Prius).
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Re: Honda Civic Hybrid 2008 [galileo5] by whitey9
Apr 12, 2009 (8:44 am)
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Replying to: galileo5 (Apr 12, 2009 5:06 am)

My understanding of the Insight 2 system is that it is more-or-less identical to the current Civic system.
A cost-saving design.
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Here we go by lokki
Apr 27, 2009 (8:55 am)
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http://www.seattleweekly.com/2009-04-22/news/the-flip-side-of-the-perfect-prius/- 4
 
Stories from other Prius owners involving unintended acceleration are fairly common,
 
Isn't this a fine Audi-do...?
 
Any one have have personal experiences?
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Re: Here we go [lokki] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Apr 27, 2009 (9:04 am)
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Replying to: lokki (Apr 27, 2009 8:55 am)

There's always one part of these stories that I cannot accept---I can accept the idea of the car's accelerator getting stuck for whatever reason. I can even accept the car accelerating on its own possibly due to a faulty cruise control module, etc.
 
But I can't accept that people cannot stop the car by slamming on the brakes.
 
For this to happen would require the simultaneous failure of 2 or 3 systems on the car which are not directly connected to each other.
 
This part doesn't add up.
 
You will note that in the "reporter's story" he did in fact stop the car with the brakes and didn't hit anything. Even that story was kind of fishy, because he depicts himself casually pointing out to the salesman that the car is accelerating on its own. Maybe he's that cool under fire, I don't know.
 
Right now I'm thinking that yes, the cars might have a sticking throttle issue but that the driver's are stomping on the wrong pedal while in panic mode (which I myself might do--it's not a "fault" for the driver to do this).

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