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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Chevy Traverse LT2 vs. 2009 Ford Flex Limited [KarenS]
by trucktricks
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Oct 14, 2008 (2:06 pm)
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Replying to: KarenS (Oct 08, 2008 7:58 am)
I have often said that if it is something I can draw, it probably isn't any good. My stick people are sometimes indistinguishable. I remember a drawing assignment in the second grade where we were asked to draw a picture of a school bus. I recall that it looked exactly like the Flex. Only it was yellow. Needless to say, I'd be picking the athletic looking Traverse....on looks alone regardless of the fact it is also bigger and performs better.
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Chevy Traverse LT2 vs. 2009 Ford Flex Limited [trucktricks]
by cx7lover
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Oct 15, 2008 (6:03 am)
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Replying to: trucktricks (Oct 14, 2008 2:06 pm)
The Traverse looks athletic? Are you on one? I've seen one in person and they look bloated.
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Chevy Traverse LT2 vs. 2009 Ford Flex Limited [cx7lover]
by bobw3
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Oct 16, 2008 (7:55 am)
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Replying to: cx7lover (Oct 15, 2008 6:03 am)
athletic bloated
Who cares? This is why american manufacturers are going down the drain. Because they have goals of being "athletic" versus making a good quality vehicle.
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Chevy Traverse LT2 vs. 2009 Ford Flex Limited [bobw3]
by trucktricks
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Oct 16, 2008 (2:18 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Oct 16, 2008 7:55 am)
I think your comment was in reference to the 80's and 90's. JD Powers 2008 Initial Quality Study shows Ford and Chevrolet worse than four Asian nameplates but better than nine Asian nameplates. Among the worst of all nameplates is the Toyota Scion. The US manufacturers have definitely arrived on the quality front. Basically, the quality of all the manufacturers is so close now, you have to look at styling, features, performance and most recently fuel economy to make your picks.
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Chevy Traverse LT2 vs. 2009 Ford Flex Limited [trucktricks]
by bobw3
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Oct 16, 2008 (4:39 pm)
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Replying to: trucktricks (Oct 16, 2008 2:18 pm)
Basically, the quality of all the manufacturers is so close now, you have to look at styling, features, performance and most recently fuel economy to make your picks.
If that were true, then GM and Ford wouldn't be practically going out of business. Initial Quality Surveys are nice, but just sit in any Honda or Toyota and then in a Ford or Chevy and there's a pretty obvious difference in quality, plus the long term quality/reliability of Honda and Toyota is still better.
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Chevy Traverse LT2 vs. 2009 Ford Flex Limited [bobw3]
by trucktricks
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Oct 17, 2008 (9:24 am)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Oct 16, 2008 4:39 pm)
The whole quality thing is mostly perception at this point. How many people do you think know that for 2008 Dependability (what you are refering to as long term) the Buick beats the Honda and Toyota in the midsize category? (yes, that is the Accord and Camry) I will answer that question . Very few. The trends are favorable for the domestics. Simply a result of a lot of hard work by the GM and Ford teams. I would not be surprised at all to see Ford and GM both above Honda and Toyota by 2010. And they are close enough now that it is all about styling, features, performance, and fuel economy for those people willing to open their eyes and see what is going on in the car world.
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RESALE VALUE
by golfnut5
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Oct 26, 2008 (12:49 pm)
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Toyota and Honda crush the domestics in resale value. That is where the rubber hits the road.
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Resale value is driven by availability
by tiredmomof3
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Nov 03, 2008 (7:36 am)
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Replying to: golfnut5 (Oct 26, 2008 12:49 pm)
Since rental places don't rent Toyotas & Hondas, there aren't as many used available. Supply is low, so demand drives the price up. I've driven both a Ford Explorer and most recently a Honda Odyssey. The Odyssey is not noticeably better quality, and has some very annoying qualities. I do a lot of highway driving, and the Odyssey's cruise controls varies the speed so much that it annoys other drivers on the road who keep passing me and then I pass them, etc. The Odyssey has NEVER approached the 26 mpg highway that it promises. My Explorer tended to surpass it's reported gas mileage on the highway. That being said, I enjoyed the utility of my Odyssey, and until Ford came out with the Flex, I hadn't considered going back.
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Chevy Traverse LT2 vs. 2009 Ford Flex Limited [bobw3]
by nickdago
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Nov 11, 2008 (5:56 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Oct 16, 2008 4:39 pm)
Actually what is ailing the American Car companies is there agreements with the Unions over the last 30 years which have made it much more difficult to compete in the world market. Case in point GM is the number one car maker in China, very successful in Brasil and Chevy is the number one car in eastern Europe. GM is producing incredible cars right now and all are receiving the highest in ratings and consumer satisfaction. We own six cars right now with all of the kids cars factored in with only one foreign car, a Honda civic and if I had to get rid of one of them it would be the Honda, compared to the other American cars we have this is without a doubt the worst all around, and the worst car I have ever owned.
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Re: Article Comments - 2009 Chevy Traverse LT2 vs. 2009 Ford Flex Limited [bobw3]
by nickdago
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Nov 11, 2008 (6:03 pm)
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Replying to: bobw3 (Oct 16, 2008 7:55 am)
I saw the Traverse today at the dealership while I was having mu oil changed and it looked way better in person than it does online. The quality inside was incredible, enough so that I had to at least sit in it for a while and look around. It has the same controls as my Avalanche LTZ and seems to have taken a styling que from the Malibu, very nice. I would definantly consider this if I still had all five of my kids at home. If GM keeps putting cars out like this they will easily win the quality and styling wars with Toyota and Honda.
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