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lease genesis 3.8 base model 2010 by thinkingtl
Dec 02, 2009 (2:33 pm)
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Anyone have any idea what the lease rates are for the base model of the genesis 3.8 2010 in nyc area?
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Re: lease genesis 3.8 base model 2010 [thinkingtl] by kwakasmith
Dec 02, 2009 (5:14 pm)
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Replying to: thinkingtl (Dec 02, 2009 2:33 pm)

The current price on the 3.8 Auto (Base) appears to be $1500-1700 down with $308/month + TAX, Residual is $14782, MF .00134. That includes all fees, MV & Tags. These rates are also available in NJ & PA. Of course there are also plenty of dealers that will only offer the current program on the 4 pot Turbo which is not that appealing.
 
Recall these cars came out last Feb so Hyundai could in theory change the model year in 3 months ! That being the case you'd expect deals to start improving.
 
Cheers
Kwaka
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Don't lease Genesis, just buy it. by dulnev
Dec 03, 2009 (8:44 am)
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It is a really bad idea to lease Genesis because of the miserable residuals. You're going to get similar monthly payments if you lease a loaded BMW 535i because they have a roughly 60% residual on the 5 series.
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Re: Don't lease Genesis, just buy it. [dulnev] by kwakasmith
Dec 03, 2009 (9:57 am)
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Replying to: dulnev (Dec 03, 2009 8:44 am)

dulnev, look at it this way. The 535 has a whopping downpayment and a high monthly outlay. One the Genesis Coupe, if you buy over 5 years with a 5% APR, your payments would be $471.78/month assuming $25k for the car (excl tax as you offset this in your 2010 return). Over 3 years you pay $16,984 and the remaining balance (Nov 2012) is $10,754. Residual is $14,782 so net cost incl interest is $12,956 (assuming you paid off and resold for the resid amount at the end of the 36 months). That means the vehicle has cost you $360/month over the 3 years. Leasing at $308/tax month (35 x $330) with $1700 down = $13,250 (i.e., $368/month 1700 down or $363 month with $1500 down). For $3-$8/month variance, I would be inclined to lease leaving me with the option to hand back or buy out after 36 months with no major cost difference.
 
Brgds
Kwaka
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Re: Don't lease Genesis, just buy it. [kwakasmith] by dulnev
Dec 04, 2009 (7:06 pm)
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Replying to: kwakasmith (Dec 03, 2009 9:57 am)

The 535 has a whopping downpayment and a high monthly outlay.
 
I have NO idea what you mean by this or by the rest of your post. You don't have to put ANY money down if you don't want to when you lease a 535.
 
When I advised against leasing the Genesis, it was not directed at the people who are likely to exercise the purchase option at the end of the lease. Majority of people don't. If you are like majority, and you are going to return the car at the end of the lease, then leasing Genesis makes no sense because you would be paying 50% or more of the car's cost over 3 years, as opposed to paying just 40% of the car's cost for a BMW 5 series. The comparison to the 5 series was because I was referring to Genesis sedan, not the cheaper Genesis coupe.
 
Don't get me wrong, I'm not one of those people who scream that leasing is stupid. It is not in general. Leasing BMWs is quite smart because BMW subsidizes leases heavily. It is, however, stupid to lease vehicles with low residual value if you do not intend to purchase the vehicle at the end of the lease.
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Re: Don't lease Genesis, just buy it. [dulnev] by cluedweasel
Dec 05, 2009 (12:25 am)
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Replying to: dulnev (Dec 04, 2009 7:06 pm)

The current residual on a 3 year, 36,000 mile lease on a coupe is 54%. For 30,000 miles is 56%. Neither of those means you're paying for over 50% depreciation over 3 years.
 
I'm at a bit of a loss as to why you are trolling this forum. Even with the higher residual and the rebates, based on the current MF, a 535 anywhere near the spec of my 3.8 GT would cost almost $760 a month to lease.
 
If residuals are the be all and end all, why not go and get a Honda Insight. 70% residual for a 3 year / 12000 mile p.a. lease.
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Re: Don't lease Genesis, just buy it. [dulnev] by kwakasmith
Dec 05, 2009 (6:08 am)
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Replying to: dulnev (Dec 04, 2009 7:06 pm)

Dulnev. Would agree in some cases that the manufacturer sponsored leases can be pretty good. In the case of the BMW 535i sedan, you're looking at the following;
  
$549*/month for 36 months which includes a $2,500 Holiday Finance Credit
 
Vehicle Registered outside N.Y.
• $549 First months payment
• $3,500 Down payment
• $550 Security Deposit
• $725 Acquisition fee
• $5,324 Cash due at signing
 
As you can see that's a 'whopper' of a down payment. Based on NJ tax, (7%), that would cost me $20,560 in monthly payments on top for a total of $25,884 or an average cost of $720/month over 36 months. Having owned 4 BMW's in the past, and driven the Genesis Coupe, it is a different experience but in my opinion, not worth 100% more.
The analysis provided earlier is useful when considering the purchase or lease of any vehicle. For example, it also interesting that an Infiniti G37x Coupe with Prem & Nav which MSRP's at $44825, would cost you approx $12,500 over 36 months based on 55% resid. That's approx $850 more over 3 years than what a base Genesis Coupe Auto would cost you which is a $26500 car and approx half that of the 535i ! That arises from the fact you can get the G37 Coupe currently for $5500 below invoice. Would always reccommend you do the analysis with amortization cacls before committing to any vehicle but final choice will ultimately be a personal one.
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Re: Don't lease Genesis, just buy it. [kwakasmith] by dulnev
Dec 05, 2009 (11:42 am)
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Replying to: kwakasmith (Dec 05, 2009 6:08 am)

Again, you do NOT need to put any money down when leasing a BMW. What you quoted is a special deal advertisement (which is based on paying MSRP, by the way) that has little do to with what one can actually get from BMW. That downpayment is NOT required. Just go to a BMW forum on Edmunds or elsewhere and you will see what the current residual and money factors are, then go to the dealer and negotiate your best price (around invoice on the 535i these days), then just pay the required fees like first month payment and acquisition fee.
 
You do not need to put any money down to get the best residual and buy rate money factor. You can greatly reduce the money factor by putting multiple fully refundable security deposits down, but that's your choice.
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Re: Don't lease Genesis, just buy it. [kwakasmith] by cluedweasel
Dec 05, 2009 (2:31 pm)
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Replying to: kwakasmith (Dec 05, 2009 6:08 am)

I would have loved a G37 coupe (I used to work for Infiniti), but the nearest dealer is a 6 hour round trip away, including a couple of mountain passes. The Genesis is 90% there which will do for me.
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Re: Don't lease Genesis, just buy it. [dulnev] by cluedweasel
Dec 05, 2009 (2:34 pm)
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Replying to: dulnev (Dec 05, 2009 11:42 am)

I still don't get what your point is? I did exactly that for the lease I calculated. Got the invoice price for the 535i, took another $2,500 off that and then calculated a lease payment based on that cap cost, minimum down and the current MF and residual. The resulting payment was over $760 per month. My Genesis Coupe is $348.

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