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Buying a Car During the Credit Crunch

343 messages,  Last post on Nov 14, 2008 at 5:59 AM

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Re: "THAT sale is special for a number of reasons. " [8sparkplugs] by joel0622
Oct 29, 2008 (10:59 am)
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Replying to: 8sparkplugs (Oct 29, 2008 10:05 am)

I have tried to advise people with no or bad credit. They were afraid if they said or did anything different from the offer the dealer was offering, including very low trade in amounts, that they wouldn't get a car.
 
One thing to keep in mind is that some times the credit challenged customer has a loan origination fee associated with there contract the average buyer does not. It can sometimes equal 10% of the selling price which comes out of dealer profits. So if you and a credit challenged customer were buying the same car your rock bottom price might be $20K where theres is $22K for the same car. Dealer is still only getting $20k with the extra $2K going to SLNB (Shady Loans National Bank).
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Re: Buying 2 Cars [mikefm58] by 8sparkplugs
Oct 29, 2008 (10:59 am)
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Replying to: mikefm58 (Oct 29, 2008 10:46 am)

I believe his point is that you, the buyer, has to sign the agreement. No one can make you agree to anything you don't want. If the buyer doesn't know what they are signing and agreeing to, they have only them self to blame. I'm not suggesting that they don't try underhanded things, but ultimately you have go to be responsible for yourself.
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Re: Buying 2 Cars [volvomax] by euphonium
Oct 29, 2008 (11:46 am)
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Replying to: volvomax (Oct 29, 2008 9:38 am)

So how old and long is your "Repeat Buyers" list?
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Re: Buying 2 Cars [euphonium] by dtownfb
Oct 29, 2008 (12:19 pm)
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Replying to: euphonium (Oct 29, 2008 11:46 am)

for some reason, I don't think volvomax engages in deceitful practices. From the posts i have read of his plus the service he provides on the "Real world values...." board, I think he is definitely one of the good guys. I think he is simply playing devil's advocate and reminding everyone that the consumer in the end has the power. Some forget they have it or simply choose not to use it. Walking out of a dealership when the salesman is playing games is still one of the most powerful tools a buyer can use.
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Re: Buying 2 Cars [mikefm58] by volvomax
Oct 29, 2008 (12:58 pm)
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Replying to: mikefm58 (Oct 29, 2008 10:46 am)

A sales person lieing to a customer is immaterial? Hmmm, up until you made that statement I felt you were one of the more respectful folks in the biz here. Where I come from folks who tell lies to their customer just to get them in the show room or to simply make more on the deal aren't very well respected.
 
First of all, it is very very rare that a salesperson lies to a customer anymore.
There are simply too many ways to get caught.
All you end up doing is re-inforcing a stereotype.
You are lumping 99% of the car business w/ less than 1% of offenders.
So, unless you have proof that the majority of car salespeople do in fact lie to their customers I would retire that tired old cliche.
 
As for Doc fees, or anything else, if you as the consumer don't like them, walk away.
Remember that the bottomline is the only thing that matters. If dealer A has a $300 Doc fee, and Dealer B doesn't, but dealer B's bottom line is $100 more than dealer A, then pay the fee and save the $100.
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Re: Buying 2 Cars [euphonium] by volvomax
Oct 29, 2008 (12:59 pm)
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Replying to: euphonium (Oct 29, 2008 11:46 am)

So how old and long is your "Repeat Buyers" list?
 
old and long.
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Auto market in Portland Oregon by pavelbarchuk
Oct 29, 2008 (1:38 pm)
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I worked at a dealership for a while, i finally quit a few days ago. Talking about the credit issues, If you have good credit, anyone will finance you, remember, banks wont stop giving loans out because thats how they make money.
 
the other thing, dealerships know that every customer thinks its hard to get financed so they play games with customers to make it seem hard, than out of nowhere they somehow got you approved with a little higher interest rate and that was the best they can do, also, in order to finance you, the bank wants to see that your protected so they throw in the extended 2300 dollar warranty.
 
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Re: Auto market in Portland Oregon [pavelbarchuk] by joel0622
Oct 29, 2008 (1:41 pm)
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Replying to: pavelbarchuk (Oct 29, 2008 1:38 pm)

the bank wants to see that your protected so they throw in the extended 2300 dollar warranty.
 
Sounds like you worked at real grinder tell them what they want to hear store.
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Re: Buying a Car During the Credit Crunch [kirstie_h] by pavelbarchuk
Oct 29, 2008 (1:42 pm)
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Replying to: kirstie_h (Sep 30, 2008 11:35 am)

in reply to your question. For right now, its better to hold off a while. Dealers are hungry for profit, they will do anyhting they can to make you pay more. When cars sell left and right, sometimes they will even loose money to sell you the car, ive seen it many times now, if they arent making at least a 1000 bucks, they wont sell you the car. Unless you know the car business very well and are a good negotiater, its a good time to buy since most companies offer zero interest and alot of rebates.



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Re: Buying a Car During the Credit Crunch [pavelbarchuk] by joel0622
Oct 29, 2008 (2:36 pm)
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Replying to: pavelbarchuk (Oct 29, 2008 1:42 pm)

For right now, its better to hold off a while. Dealers are hungry for profit, they will do anyhting they can to make you pay more. When cars sell left and right, sometimes they will even loose money to sell you the car, ive seen it many times now, if they arent making at least a 1000 bucks, they wont sell you the car.
 
Thats almost laughable.
 
How long was you career at the $1000 minimum, bank says you have to buy the $2300 warranty store?
 
There has neve been a better time to buy a car then right now. Dealers want them off the lot and off the floor plan.

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