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Replying to: unicorn62 (Sep 24, 2009 6:57 am) When I bought my '06 5-door, I had my heart set on "Winning Blue" (offered '04-'06). It's very similar to the Celestial Blue and looked amazing! But they were very hard to find, especially a Sport/Touring model with no options and manual transmission! Thru '06, s models with cloth seats had a checkered fabric that was either red/black or blue/black depending on exterior color. I didn't care for the blue/black with the Winning Blue and my only other option was to get black leather, which would have been miserable in the Georgia heat...so I went with my second choice- Titanium Gray with red/black checked seats.
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Sep 24, 2009 9:04 am) oh i completely agree, that was my point! you cant just assume that because x car has more hp and torque its automatically the fastest in class. and trap speeds are super important, i only mentioned the 0-60 stint because it was the first test of speed that came to mind. actually, my old civic had a decent amount of passing power, because it liked to rev. mazdas seem to typically have more low and midrange grunt. somepeople think revving the engine is a chore, i didn't, the r18 in the civic was more than willing. at any rate, that doesn't mean the civic is techincally faster than the 3 in that regard, but its not slouch either. (the car and driver time i guess would have been chastized less if i compared it to the 7.6 sec or so 0-60 they got out of a 3s?) another thing to note is that the civic makes VERY decent hp and torque.................considering its engine size. the 2.0 in the new 3 makes what, like 6-8lbs more? thats not so much more to merit saying 'the civic has no torque' in comparison. if you REALLY want to get techincal, the civic's 1.8 is making more hp AND torque per litre than either the 2.0 or 2.5 in the mazdas. take into consideration weight as well. a m/t i sport weighs in at 2868 lbs. an lx-s m/t weighs in at 2687lbs thats an almost 200lb difference. with that much weight, the 3's 7lb-ft torque advantage and 8hp advantage dont exactly translate into a faster 0-60 or trap speed.(i know gearing plays into this as well, and like you said, no current tests of the new car pitted against the civic, this is just for discussions sake.) granted, this is before we take into consideration the 2.5 motor, and i totally agree that honda needs to step it up and offer something below the si with a larger r or k series motor,(granted it wouldnt' have to be a 2.5 like the 3 if the weight is kept down, a 155hp 2.0 should be fine.)SO you are totally correct: honda does not really have anything to counter the mazda 3 S, or any large engined compact. (with the exception of the xrs corolla, as they market that as their 'performance' corolla and the 'performance' civic, the si, blows it away in comparsion.) i'm just comparing the smaller motors since they are closer in spec and fuel economy. (even though the numbers support the notion that 1.8 civics can techincally run with the old 2.3, and even the numbers the 2.5 is putting out. granted this means little to me as i dont drive m/t and all these numbers are coming from said equipped cars. and in that regard, an a/t 3 should basically be faster with either engine.) so basically it boils down to the civic not having SO MUCH BETTER mpg that it outweighs the benefits of having a larger, stouter motor, and that the 3's engine is not SO MUCH MORE powerful than the civic to say that is is that much quicker in any real test of speed. phew. anyway aviboy, good points avi, though i want to reiterate that i never said the civic was the fastest in the segment, i was simply stating that the time c&d got was faster than any of the times we had quoted here. and in the same way 0-60 does not tell the whole story, the same goes for hp and torque advantages. avi i do have a question for you though....you have a mazda6 right? w/ leather? i love driving my mother in laws v-6 6s...does the steering in the new 3 S feel weighty like that? and what about the leather quality? is it on par with YOUR six or is the quality of the 3's leather even better than that? one of the links creakid posted was a review that stated that the interior of the new 3 could not hold a candle to the new golf...which im pretty sure is correct as its supossed to be ultra nice, but given that i'm driving a fit, which is by no means terrible, it doesnt seem to have the same level of quality or richness/upscaleness the new 3 has.
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Replying to: igozoomzoom (Sep 24, 2009 12:28 pm) hmmm....winning blue is bascially the same shade of blue thats on my honda fit (vivid blue) celestial blue looks very different imo, and not as nice as the winning blue or the darker metallic blue they release on the 3. but to each his own, i think it makes the car look cartoonish. the gunmetal blue, graphite, white and black seem excellent though. |
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Replying to: eldaino2 (Sep 24, 2009 12:50 pm) Yes, I have a 2005 Mazda6 i 5-door 5-speed manual fully loaded with the luxury package (leather / heated seats / electro-gauges) and the moon roof / Bose Audio Package. The steering in the new Mazda3 is very similar to the old one because it is electric assist. My Mazda6 does not. I personally think the steering feel of my Mazda6 is perfect. Even better then the BMW 3-Series I almost traded it in for. So, to answer your question, the Mazda3 steering is not weighty. It's not loose, either. I think it works well with how the car is designed, though. The Mazda3 is meant to be a "tossable" compact car, and the combo of the steering feel and handling make that happen. In regards to the leather quality, I love the old Mazda6 leather (what I have) better then what replaced in in 2006-2008. With 57,000 miles, my interior shows virtually no wear and has held up much much better then the leather in my fathers 2004 Accord EX-L V6. As far as the leather quality is concerned in the 2010 Mazda3, it is far better then the leather from the first gen Mazda3. Since the car is new, I have no idea how it will hold up, but, so far so good.
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Sep 24, 2009 5:42 pm) i totally get your point on the honda leather though...one of the things that kept me from getting a 06-08 tsx was the way the leather looked after a couple years of wear. granted, she takes care of her car religiously, but still, quality leather is quality leather. i can really recall the leather on the prev. gen 3...i'll have to take a gander at it if i get a chance. have you had any hands on time with the leather in the new civics? the 3 i saw in person seemed to have leather that was on par with newer vw offerings which is rather impressive, and it seemed richer than what is offered in the current civic ex-l. |
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So I finally got tired of all the electrical/mechanical nightmares of my all too pampered and expensive to maintain Jetta 2.5 for a more reliable Japanese version, the Mazda 3s sport Graphite/Dune 6spd manual, Moonroof/Bose. I'm having only one regret, that I had to buy a 2010 model so soon when there are virtually no rebates or incentives other than 3.9% financing, however I couldn't take the chance at another CEL coming on that would most likely cost me $500 and up on a VW out of warranty. Big differences in ride between the Jetta 2.5 and 3 2.5, 3 is much lighter/tossable, Jetta rides like a small Buick in comparison. That's not bad,..its just different. 3 does have a bit more road noise than my Jetta which also had 17" wheels. Also, one feature that I can't seem to activate on the 3 that i loved on the Jetta,..was a feature VW called "convenience blink", tap the signal indicator once and it would blink 3 times. The 3 has this feature according to the "preferences pamplet" included with owners manual, but i can't seem to find it in any of the menus to activate it. |
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Replying to: dilbertsdub (Sep 27, 2009 2:55 pm) |
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Replying to: dilbertsdub (Sep 27, 2009 2:55 pm) I'm lovin' my 3 Hatchback... Celestial Blue ! Yes.
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