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Re: 2010 mazda3 [autonomous] by blackadder5639
Jun 08, 2009 (6:23 pm)
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Replying to: autonomous (Jun 08, 2009 3:07 pm)

Have you considered the displacement/power output in your list? The Fit, Corolla and Civic are 1.5 L or 1.8 L with 140 hp or less. The Focus and Mazda 3i have 2.0 L engines with 148 hp......the Mazda 3s has 167 hp!
 
Given the power output of the Mazda 3, its fuel economy is competitive with the competition (Focus, Lancer, Golf/Rabbit, Jetta). The Mazda 3i has the same fuel economy as the Focus!
 
BTW, comparing the fuel economy of the Mazda 3s (167 hp) and the Protege (130 hp), it's very clear that Mazda has made a lot of progress since 2002!......how does a 37 hp gain for the same fuel economy sound?
 
Mind you, the real competition of the Mazda 3s are the Jetta, Golf/Rabbit, Lancer and perhaps the Impreza.
The Mazda 3i has competitive fuel economy with the Focus, Civic and Corolla. The Fit is not a Mazda 3 competitor.
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2010 mazda3 by unicorn62
Jun 08, 2009 (8:19 pm)
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Blackadder, I had a small suv the nissan rogue(08) that got 33.5mpg doing 60mph and 32.0 doing 65mph the rogue is alot heaver and has the 2.5l engine and has 170hp with 175torque, now you tell me why the mazda3 shouldn't get better mpg's. By the way i am not a he i am a she BACKY!!!
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Re: 2010 mazda3 [unicorn62] by blackadder5639
Jun 08, 2009 (10:58 pm)
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Replying to: unicorn62 (Jun 08, 2009 8:19 pm)

Backy (a.k.a. unicorn62), the FWD Rogue is rated 22/27 city/hwy by the EPA. The Mazda 3s is rated 22/29 for the automatic. The Rogue weighs 3281 lb; the Mazda 3s weighs 3064 lb. I would say the Mazda 3s fuel economy compares well with the Rogue! (BTW, a 200 lb wieght difference is not "a lot heavier".....that's about the weight of an average 6-ft man!)
 
When you take the Mazda 3s for what it is, a compact-but-not-economy car, its fuel economy is very competitive. Look at similar cars:
VW Rabbit 2.5 L (170 hp): 21/29 mpg
Mitsubishi Lancer 2.4 L (168 hp): 21/28 mpg
Subaru Impreza 2.5 L (170 hp): 20/27 mpg.
 
In fact, compared to its competition, the Mazda 3s has class-leading fuel economy! Remember: a compact car is not necessarily an economy car!
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Re: 2010 mazda3 [shipo] by blackadder5639
Jun 08, 2009 (11:03 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Jun 08, 2009 10:45 am)

Well, Shippo, you know we're talking about gasoline, non-hybrid cars here...... LOL!
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Re: 2010 mazda3 [backy] by blackadder5639
Jun 08, 2009 (11:18 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jun 08, 2009 10:57 am)

I think it's weird though that Ford can get 34 mpg on a mid-sized sedan with an engine of comparable power to the Mazda3s, yet the Mazda3s gets 5 mpg less, yet is a lighter car.
 
I suspect a lot of it has to do with the gearing. The Mazda 3s probably has shorter gear ratios in order to make the car sportier or more responsive, whereas the Fusion probably has taller gear ratios that enhance fuel economy at the cost of responsiveness.
I haven't driven either the 2010 Mazda 3s or the 2010 Fusion, but I would bet that the Mazda 3s feels/is faster or at least more responsive.
 
When you compare the Mazda 3s' fuel economy to other compacts with around 170 hp that are meant to be sporty (eg, Rabbit, Lancer GTS, Impreza), its fuel economy is, in fact, class-leading.
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Re: 2010 mazda3 [unicorn62] by jeffyscott
Jun 09, 2009 (5:44 am)
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Replying to: unicorn62 (Jun 08, 2009 8:19 pm)

I had a small suv the nissan rogue(08) that got 33.5mpg doing 60mph and 32.0 doing 65mph the rogue is alot heaver and has the 2.5l engine and has 170hp with 175torque, now you tell me why the mazda3 shouldn't get better mpg's
 
Have you driven the Mazda3 in exactly the same way and if so what mpg did you get?
 
If you are comparing your actual mpg to an EPA rating, that is not a valid comparison as the EPA highway test does not consist of cruising at a steady 60 or 65 mph. Most (all?) cars exceed the EPA highway number when driven in that way.
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Re: 2010 mazda3 [autonomous] by aviboy97
Jun 09, 2009 (6:07 am)
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Replying to: autonomous (Jun 08, 2009 3:07 pm)

According to the EPA site (fueleconomy.gov), here are the combined ratings (that is a combination of highway and city driving) for several recent vehicles with automatic transmissions:
  
31 - 2009 Honda Fit
29 - 2010 Toyota Corolla ; 2009 Honda Civic (non-hybrid)
27 - 2009 Ford Focus ; 2010 Mazda3 i
25 - 2010 Mazda3 s ; 2002 MazdaProtege

 
Well, the Fit is a sub-compact, so it does not belong in this class. You also forgot to mention that the Corolla XRS gets a EPA combined 25mpg, same as the Mazda3 s and the Mazda3 s has a considerable power advantage.
 
So again, I do not see how 2 mpg's is a big deal. Answer this in all seriousness, is 2 mpg's the difference between "competitive" and "not competitive"? I sure don't think so.
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2010 mazda3 by unicorn62
Jun 09, 2009 (7:02 am)
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Jeffyscott, I have the 2010 mazda 3s. i drive the car like i did the rogue, I don't drive it like a sport car. I haven't gone on a long trip with it yet to find out what the true mpg's are like i did with the rogue. Autonomous: I was talking to a girl that has the nissan sentra sl and she told me she went on a trip and got 41mpg and its a gas car not hybrid.
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Re: 2010 mazda3 [blackadder5639] by backy
Jun 09, 2009 (7:03 am)
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Replying to: blackadder5639 (Jun 08, 2009 11:18 pm)

When you compare the Mazda 3s' fuel economy to other compacts with around 170 hp that are meant to be sporty (eg, Rabbit, Lancer GTS, Impreza), its fuel economy is, in fact, class-leading.
 
I don't see how 21/29 mpg with 167 hp can be considered "class leading" when another member of the class gets 22/32 mpg with 173 hp. Class-leading in terms of some luxury features being available, and maybe class leading in terms of handling, but not in terms of power or fuel economy.
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Re: 2010 mazda3 [backy] by blackadder5639
Jun 09, 2009 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jun 09, 2009 7:03 am)

"When you compare the Mazda 3s' fuel economy to other compacts with around 170 hp that are meant to be sporty (eg, Rabbit, Lancer GTS, Impreza), its fuel economy is, in fact, class-leading.
  
I don't see how 21/29 mpg with 167 hp can be considered "class leading" when another member of the class gets 22/32 mpg with 173 hp. Class-leading in terms of some luxury features being available, and maybe class leading in terms of handling, but not in terms of power or fuel economy."
 
The Fusion is not in the same class as the Mazda 3s, Rabbit/Golf, Jetta, Lancer GTS and Impreza. Or are you talking of another car?

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