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Re: 2010 mazda3 [aviboy97] by backy
Jun 08, 2009 (10:57 am)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jun 08, 2009 10:39 am)

Yes, the Mazda3's fuel economy is "on a par." It would be nice if it equalled or exceeded that of competitors that are of older design, like all of those you listed above, but that is asking for too much I guess.
 
I think it's weird though that Ford can get 34 mpg on a mid-sized sedan with an engine of comparable power to the Mazda3s, yet the Mazda3s gets 5 mpg less, yet is a lighter car.
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Re: 2010 mazda3 [shipo] by backy
Jun 08, 2009 (10:57 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Jun 08, 2009 10:45 am)

Then there's the Insight and (mid-sized) Prius at over 39 mpg, but we digress.
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Re: 2010 mazda3 [backy] by jeffyscott
Jun 08, 2009 (11:24 am)
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Replying to: backy (Jun 08, 2009 10:57 am)

That is an interesting point. As is how Ford gets 3 mpg (hwy) less for that very same midsize vehicle with the very same engine, but in a different trim level.
 
Also, oddly, the Fusion with 2.5 (non S) is rated at 22/31, while the Mazda3 with 2.5 engine is rated at 22/29. Yet both are at 25 mpg combined.
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Re: 2010 mazda3 [shipo] by aviboy97
Jun 08, 2009 (1:05 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Jun 08, 2009 10:45 am)

The 2009 VW Jetta TDI 6-Speed: 30 City, 34 Combined, 41 Highway.
 
I stand corrected!!!
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Re: 2010 mazda3 [backy] by aviboy97
Jun 08, 2009 (1:12 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jun 08, 2009 10:57 am)

It would be nice if it equalled or exceeded that of competitors that are of older design, like all of those you listed above, but that is asking for too much I guess.
 
There is nothing wrong with wishing for that. In fact, I wish it were better as well. But, since the rest of the car is light years ahead of the others, it does not concern me. That is how Mazda builds and markets their cars.
 
As far as the age of each design goes, the Corolla and Focus are little over a calender year old. The Civic is the only one due for a redesign, probably next year.
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Re: 2010 mazda3 [aviboy97] by autonomous
Jun 08, 2009 (3:07 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jun 08, 2009 10:39 am)

I think it's an absolute joke to say that the Mazda3 is not on par with the competition.
 
According to the EPA site (fueleconomy.gov), here are the combined ratings (that is a combination of highway and city driving) for several recent vehicles with automatic transmissions:
 
31 - 2009 Honda Fit
29 - 2010 Toyota Corolla ; 2009 Honda Civic (non-hybrid)
27 - 2009 Ford Focus ; 2010 Mazda3 i
25 - 2010 Mazda3 s ; 2002 MazdaProtege
 
The difference between the top rank (35 mpg) and the lowest (25 mpg) is about 20%. Mazda has not significantly boosted the fuel economy of its Mazda3 s since 2002 (when the model was known as the Protege). The Mazda2 promises a welcome change on this front.
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Re: 2010 mazda3 [aviboy97] by backy
Jun 08, 2009 (5:43 pm)
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Replying to: aviboy97 (Jun 08, 2009 1:12 pm)

The Focus a little over a year old? Hardly. It's an ancient design as cars go, about ten years old without a full redesign (here in the US, anyway--other lands get a more modern Focus). The Mazda3 is the newest compact design out there--until the Forte debuts, anyway. BTW, check out the power and fuel economy numbers of that car, then tell us that the Mazda3 is "light years" ahead.
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Re: 2010 mazda3 [unicorn62] by blackadder5639
Jun 08, 2009 (5:59 pm)
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Replying to: unicorn62 (Jun 06, 2009 3:52 pm)

Not necessarily, unicorn62.
 
The Mazda 3s is NOT an economy car. It is a compact, but it is meant to for buyers who want style, equipment, and some power in an attractive style and want only decent fuel economy........kinda like a poor man's 3-series. The Lancer (the current generation), Jetta and Rabbit/Golf are also similar.
Given the performances of these cars, their fuel economy is very reasonable. Mind you, they are NOT economy cars.
 
One Mazda 3i is perhaps an economy car. Its fuel economy figures are only 1 or 2 mpg lower than the Civic/Corolla competition, but it has at least 8 hp more! I think a loss of 1 or 2 mpg for 8 hp is worth it!
Mazda could probably modify the gearing to get an extra 1 or 2 mpg (like the Focus), but then the character of the car would no longer be sporty enough to qualify as zoom-zoom!
 
The question is whether or not the major priority for buyers of compact cars is fuel economy. Looking at the success of the Mazda 3, it appears like there is a considerable market for compact-but-not-economy cars.
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Re: 2010 mazda3 [backy] by blackadder5639
Jun 08, 2009 (6:10 pm)
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Replying to: backy (Jun 08, 2009 5:43 pm)

BTW, check out the power and fuel economy numbers of that car, then tell us that the Mazda3 is "light years" ahead.
 
Cars are not judged by fuel economy and power numbers alone!
 
What compact non-luxury car has steering-controlled headlights, a near-luxury car interior, dual-zone air-con, and a (class-leading) sporty-but-comfortable-and-refined ride all in one package? The fact that the Mazda 3 has all these, for an affordable price, is a major reason why it is "light-years" ahead of its competition!
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Re: 2010 mazda3 [autonomous] by blackadder5639
Jun 08, 2009 (6:23 pm)
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Replying to: autonomous (Jun 08, 2009 3:07 pm)

Have you considered the displacement/power output in your list? The Fit, Corolla and Civic are 1.5 L or 1.8 L with 140 hp or less. The Focus and Mazda 3i have 2.0 L engines with 148 hp......the Mazda 3s has 167 hp!
 
Given the power output of the Mazda 3, its fuel economy is competitive with the competition (Focus, Lancer, Golf/Rabbit, Jetta). The Mazda 3i has the same fuel economy as the Focus!
 
BTW, comparing the fuel economy of the Mazda 3s (167 hp) and the Protege (130 hp), it's very clear that Mazda has made a lot of progress since 2002!......how does a 37 hp gain for the same fuel economy sound?
 
Mind you, the real competition of the Mazda 3s are the Jetta, Golf/Rabbit, Lancer and perhaps the Impreza.
The Mazda 3i has competitive fuel economy with the Focus, Civic and Corolla. The Fit is not a Mazda 3 competitor.

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