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Re: 2009 Mazda 3 looks better - DSG [shipo] by roadburner
Apr 29, 2009 (12:46 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Apr 28, 2009 4:30 pm)

Yes, it shifts faster (usually) than most automatics, and yes, it shifts faster (usually) than a manual transmission as well, but who cares. It's still an automatic transmission. Ugh, no thanks.
 
Exactly. I drove a GTI with DSG and I honestly didn't like it as well as the ZF slushbox BMW uses in the 335i.
A true manual trumps them all.
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Re: 2009 Mazda 3 looks better - DSG [shipo] by tlong
Apr 30, 2009 (10:39 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Apr 28, 2009 4:30 pm)

I've driven an A3 with the DSG as well as two GTIs, and the DSG is simply a glorified automatic transmission.
 
I'll start this by saying I have NOT driven a DSG.
 
However, one of the huge benefits of DSG, and one of the reasons I love to drive stick, is NOT the shifting. If I loved shifting I would love automanuals as well.
 
DSG's big advantage is that it does NOT SLIP. It is always in hard contact. So when you push the gas, it goes. Just like a stick when in gear. None of that rubbery, sloppy, push the gas pedal to the floor to get some acceleration. It is in direct contact engine to transmission to wheels. I've often theorized that the reason I like stick is because I HATE that slippy connection provided by an automatic.
 
I really need to get out and drive one!
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Re: 2009 Mazda 3 looks better - DSG [tlong] by shipo
Apr 30, 2009 (12:13 pm)
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Replying to: tlong (Apr 30, 2009 10:39 am)

I have to tell you, I'm not seeing your point. A great many automatic transmissins (slush boxes included) have locking torque converters that form a hard link between the engine and the drive axles. As roadburner mentioned in an earlier post, the slushbox based automatic in the 335i drives easily as well as the DSG, and even better in some circumstances (such as when you lift off the throttle when the computer was expecting you to keep the hammer down) when the computer controlling the DSG has the wrong gear selected.
 
Said another way, an automatic is an automatic is an automatic, regardless of whether it's a slushbox or a DSG.
 
Best regards,
Shipo
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Re: 2009 Mazda 3 looks better - DSG [shipo] by tlong
Apr 30, 2009 (1:19 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Apr 30, 2009 12:13 pm)

I have to tell you, I'm not seeing your point. A great many automatic transmissins (slush boxes included) have locking torque converters that form a hard link between the engine and the drive axles.
 
But the torque converters only lock up once a cruising speed is reached.
I know my current automatic Acura TL is a great car, but it still has that rubbery delay while the engine revs and the transmission decides to grab. Just like our previous Odyssey and Villager. Like all automatics I've ever driven.
 
I *have* ridden in a BMW with the transmission you mention. I found it very rough to shift and not that enjoyable. The DSG is much smoother shifting.
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Re: 2009 Mazda 3 looks better - DSG [tlong] by jeffyscott
Apr 30, 2009 (5:50 pm)
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Replying to: tlong (Apr 30, 2009 10:39 am)

I agree (though I've not driven a DSG either), but what I still like about manuals, though I no longer drive one, is the lack of slush, Stepping on a clutch and moving a lever around just was never all that exciting.
 
The other advantages of manuals have pretty much disappeared.
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Re: Real World MPG of 2010 Mazda 3 i [relldon] by hiwaystar
May 02, 2009 (10:11 pm)
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Replying to: relldon (Mar 31, 2009 4:49 pm)

After a month and about 1,000 miles I'm getting between 29 and 30 MPG's.
 
I live in a rural area and do mostly highway driving, or at least highway speeds. I'd say my avg highway speed is 71/72 MPH. Not alot of traffic or stop and go driving.
 
I have the 2010 Grand Touring with the 2.5L Auto.
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Re: Real World MPG of 2010 Mazda 3 i [hiwaystar] by relldon
May 03, 2009 (9:23 am)
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Replying to: hiwaystar (May 02, 2009 10:11 pm)

Thanks a lot for your input. I would expect that your MPG would go up as the car gets more broken in, all other things being equal. Let me know what it is after 3000 miles. The average speed for my commute on rural roads would be more likely at 60 to 65 MPH so I would expect slightly better MPG due to the lower speeds.
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Not the intention to bash any of your opinions.. by yvanh
May 07, 2009 (2:01 pm)
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Replying to: jeffyscott (Apr 30, 2009 5:50 pm)

as I respect them all, and it's funny because the initial comment was (from the technical standpoint) to say that DSG is not pure automatic because it uses 2 clutches.
Secondly, it was not the intention to create a transmission war, I just wished that the new Mazda 3 had something similar as the DSG to make it even more fun to drive than the current automatic.
 
Again.. I've driven all the mentioned transmissions, Manual is my prefered choice ALWAYS, and for a car like the Mazda 3 my choice would be manual, unless there was an option like DSG.
 
My previous 2 Audis (A4 and S4) and my current 08Aveo5 -which is a blast because that little car has almost no electronics, no abs, no traction control, no power windows, no a/c- were all manual. DSG on car loaner and test drives (A3, GTI), Automatic and Steptronnic on BMW (currently own X3 and car loaners 328, 335).
 
For my taste, the Mazda 3 has a very well weight, right size, good power, really good suspension and the only way I can think to make a good car even better, is by adding somehting like DSG that offers the fun of the sprited driving and the convenience of fully automatic -in traffic, or holding a cellphone, or just taking care of your passangers -
 
Video of How DSG works
 
DSG on Wikipedia
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Re: Mazda2 coming to Canada! [autonomous] by autonomous
May 08, 2009 (2:19 pm)
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Replying to: autonomous (Apr 16, 2009 1:16 pm)

An update on the upcoming Mazda2 by Keith Morgan of The Province:
 
"The Mazda2 -- the 2008 World Car of the Year -- will be sold in Canada within the next year. Everybody at the New York auto show a year ago was stunned when the subcompact scooped the prestigious title because it wasn't even available in North America. Mazda Canada immediately began lobbying for its inclusion on its roster and dealerships across the nation joined the chorus. Mazda Motor Corp. president and CEO Takashi Yamanouchi heard the call and quietly let the word out at this year's Big Apple show that the Mazda2 would indeed soon be challenging the Honda Fit, Toyota Yaris, Hyundai Accent and Chevrolet Aveo for primacy in the hot market segment. The initial reluctance was caused by fears over jeopardizing the new Mazda3's success, but strong sales figures seem to have diminished concern. Mazda's former partner Ford, which has announced the launch here next year of its Fiesta, may have forced the Japanese manufacturer's hand, as the Fiesta sits on the Mazda2 platform. Expect to see a hatchback version of the Mazda2."
 
Yes!
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Re: Mazda2 coming to Canada! [autonomous] by jeffyscott
May 09, 2009 (3:52 am)
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Replying to: autonomous (May 08, 2009 2:19 pm)

I would assume if they bring it to Canada, they will also bring it to the US???

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