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#433 of 832 2009 Mazda 3 looks better
Apr 16, 2009 (12:15 pm)
than 2010, IMO.
I just don't like the tail lights on the 2010. I've seen a few 2010 on the road and they don't impress me much, defnitely not head turner like last generation's Mazda3. That is the same reason why I purchased the 2009 Mazda 3 instead. You get a lot for your money. And because the dealers have to move the 2009 off the lot, you can get a great deal by going with the 2009 model. The 2010 may be a bit quieter, but for $2,000 - $3,000 more?? No thanks.
#434 of 832 Re: Rim and Tire Package [igozoomzoom]
Apr 16, 2009 (12:40 pm)
Yeah, I actually knew all that stuff already. While that is probably the best deal on the new Mazda3 considering the mere $1,240 difference between it and the i Touring model, I'm leaning more toward the i Touring because many reviews I have read claim that they felt little difference in performance between the two engines. All the other included features are cool but not worth the price of a good rims package IMO. Also, though it doesn't list it when selecting a trim level on the "build a vehicle section", the i Touring actually includes sport seats as well.
Plus most everything else could be easily bought aftermarket for cheap (electroluminescent gauges, interior lighting, leather shift knob, spoiler, grille, fog lamps, etc.). Thanks for the input.
Do you guys think 18's on a 3 is a good idea or would you go with 17's?
#435 of 832 Re: Rim and Tire Package [vanquish421]
Apr 16, 2009 (1:05 pm)
Most cars (the 3 included) will actually lose handling if you move to a wheel size beyond 17". In fact, many of the folks that I know that race on weekends drop their wheel sizes to 16" and even 15" (if they can find a set that will clear the brakes). Why? Better lap times.
Said another way, with a Mazda3, there is no way I'd go beyond 17".
#436 of 832 Mazda2 coming to Canada!
Apr 16, 2009 (1:16 pm)
A followup to my earlier posting referring to the Mazda2. In today's Globe and Mail, Jeremy Cato talking to Mazda CEO Takashi Yamanouchi at the New York Auto Show said:
" ... he dropped a bombshell, an exclusive for The Globe and Mail: The Mazda2, a slick little subcompact sold in Europe and Asia, is coming to Canada. "I've just decided," Yamanouchi said. He would not confirm a launch date, but it's likely to be within the year, if not sooner. The Mazda2 will likely be priced below $15,000 to start. As a versatile, stylish and fuel-efficient subcompact, it is a perfect fit for Canada. The car is designed to compete against the Honda Fit, Toyota Yaris, Hyundai Accent and Chevrolet Aveo, among others. The Mazda2 is also the foundation for the Ford Fiesta already on sale in Europe and other markets. The Fiesta is due at a 2011 model. Yamanouchi said Mazda has wrestled with the decision to add the subcompact to the Mazda Canada's lineup. The fear has been that Mazda3 buyers will opt for the less expensive but smaller Mazda2. "There has been a lot of discussion about that," he said. "There is concern it would cannibalize Mazda3 sales. We need it to be incremental."
#437 of 832 Re: Rim and Tire Package [vanquish421]
Apr 16, 2009 (4:26 pm)
I felt a difference between the 2.0 and 2.3 when I was shopping in late 2007. Ended up buying an i touring anyway because while it was noticeably less powerful than the s, it was plenty powerful enough for my needs, and better gas mileage. Your priorities may be different. As for the wheels, I can't see paying 10% of the vehicle purchase price for wheels and tires. And those performance tires are surely not going to last as long, and will be expensive to replace. Again, me being sensible and rolling on stock 16"s. To each his own. They do look sharp. If it was me buying today, and I had a shorter commute, I'd get the 3s because I think a 6-speed manual would be a lot of fun, and those extra features for $1200 is a good deal. Let us know what you decide.
#438 of 832 Re: Rim and Tire Package [shipo]
Apr 16, 2009 (4:30 pm)
You are on the money. I run Miclhelin pilots 16" and I think they are H rated or VR makes no difference I keep it under a hundred.
I was going to get a Mazda GT,but that ugly smile on the front makes the car look gay.The Grill on the car should be like the one on the MazdaSpeed 3 2008.5 that's better air induction.
However, the Speed is now screwed up(2010) with scoop on hood. So I'm waitng for the Speed or the GTI. The reason being I never saw a GTI looks so good.
Shipo ,ever fly a Great Lakes AT12 Aerobatic?It's loads of fun. I flew off the JFK, VFMA 323 Death Rattlers glad to meet another pilot.
#439 of 832 Re: Rim and Tire Package [vanquish421]
Apr 16, 2009 (4:49 pm)
I'd go with 16's defintely not with an 18
#440 of 832 Re: Rim and Tire Package [shipo]
Apr 16, 2009 (6:15 pm)
Why would larger wheels degrade handling? Just curious as to why that would be the case, I thought the less sidewall the better the handling would be, not that I would want huge wheels with rubberband tires myself.
#441 of 832 Re: 2009 Mazda 3 looks better [sonnyrocker]
Apr 16, 2009 (6:40 pm)
I agree! I'll take the 2009 styling on the inside and outside over the 2010 any day. I would have preferred to see Mazda not copy the Camry/Lancer angled tail light design on the 2010. Beyond the smile what really bothers me on the 2010 front end are the fog light bezels. It looks stupid IMO. That is why I bought two 09's. Both an "i" and an "s".
#442 of 832 Re: Rim and Tire Package [jeffyscott]
Apr 16, 2009 (8:09 pm)
There was a study done a few years back that looked at handling and wheel size, and what they found was that, in general, the "sweet spot" for handling was with wheels in the 16" to 17" size range. Below that and the side wall typically gets too tall for crisp responsiveness, and above that the rotational mass of the wheel has been moved far enough out from its axis and tends to resist steering inputs as a child's gyroscope resists his or her movements.
IIRC, the study also indicated that larger wheel sizes also negatively impact braking and to a lesser degree, acceleration.
I'll poke around and see if I can come up with it or a suitable alternative (there have been several such studies; I've only read the one).