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#224 of 832 Temperature gauges...
Mar 03, 2009 (4:34 am)
"If there is a coolant leak or thermostat problem I would like to know when it is getting hot not when it is already hot."
Sorry, but the temperature gauge on the 2009 Mazda3 will not be able to tell you that. Said another way, if it registers "Hot", it's already too late. Why? Because the needle will continue to point to the "Normal" position until a certain threshold has been reached, and then suddenly jump to the "Hot" position.
I too prefer real temperature gauges, however, what passes for a "temperature gauge" in the era of OBD-II is what could best be described as an idiot needle. In other words, it essentially has three states, cold, normal, and overheated, and this applies to all cars with a gauge from all manufacturers, bar none.
I'm not sure what it is about the OBD-II specifications that preclude manufacturers from putting a real temperature gauge in their cars, but I haven't driven a single car since the mid to late 1990s that had a real gauge, my Mazdas, Dodges, VWs and BMWs included.
With all that said, I suppose an OBD-II style idiot needle is slightly more desirable compared to an idiot light, but not by much.
#225 of 832 Re: Temperature gauges... [shipo]
Mar 03, 2009 (5:50 am)
Are you sure about VW? My wife's 2005.5 Jetta has actual temperatures shown on the guage and I think where it points does vary...unlike my Mazda6 which is always right in the middle as soon as it is barely warm enough to provide a little heat.
I don't think it has anything to do with OBD II, I think the change to the "idiot needle" cam about because too many of us are idiots and would be concerned that the needle was pointing a bit toward the hot side, while still well below the red danger area.
#226 of 832 Re: Changed our mind [gwrace1]
Mar 03, 2009 (5:52 am)
Walked off with $3000 off MSRP, $1000 cash back from Mazda and zero percent financing for 36 months
Does the $3000 off include the rebate or did you actually get $4000 off, after the rebate is considered?
#227 of 832 Re: Temperature gauges... [jeffyscott]
Mar 03, 2009 (6:48 am)
Am I 100% sure that all temperature gauge equipped cars with OBD-II have idiot needles? No. Am I 90% sure? Yes.
Regarding your wife's Jetta, once the needle gets up to the "normal" spot, I'd be very surprised if it varies even a single degree (in travel not in temperature), regardless of what's actually happening under the hood.
FWIW, I've owned a number of pre-OBD VWs and Audis, and the temperature gauges were very lively, even to the point of being able to tell exactly when the thermostat opened following a cold start. That said, my last VW (a Passat) had a temperature gauge that, once it moved to "normal", was deader than a doornail.
#228 of 832 2010 Test Drive
Mar 03, 2009 (10:39 am)
Mazda decided to come today for training, as opposed to yesterday because of the blizzard we had. So, here are my thoughts...
There is much more valuable features in the 2010 Mazda3 like DSC/ TSC on all Mazda3's from the i Touring on up. The MID on the "s" models is very useful and very easy to read. The GT trim has so much content, and the price stayed the same as an 09. The nav system is based off of an SD card, which is a lot easier to update, as well as maintain. The SD card system also makes updates and future modifications to the nav system much easier.
I really like the adaptive front-lighting system. There is no car in this class that offers this, as well as bi-xenon headlights. The GT is really big bang for your buck.
The interior materials and build quality are much better then the 09. It's probably one of the nicest interior I have ever seen. All controls are driver focused and easy to use. Even the nav controls on the steering wheel are easy to figure out, and only takes about 5 min to learn all the buttons on the steering wheel. They operate very similar to the outgoing model.
The seats are more supportive and made out of higher quality material. Mazda also extended the seat bottom an extra inch for those of us with long legs (I'm 6'3", so, I love it!) and an extra inch on the seat back.
Road noise has been drastically reduced! This car is quiet! For those of us who are familiar with the first gen, there is a lot of road noise, and bumps can easily be heard in the cabin. Mazda basically eliminated this. You can hardly even hear the engine going, unless the RPM's are high.
The car handles just as good as the 1st gen. The frame is stiffer by using 40% more high tensile steel then gen1. The suspension also has stiffer bushings, creating a stiffer ride, however, since the car rides so much more quiet, you cannot hear the car absorbing those bumps.
Purely subjective. The photos do the car no justice. The car looks much better in person. I stopped at the Vitamine Shoppe today in the 2010 Mazda3 to pick up some supplements, and the sales guy came in to my store early this afternoon to take a closer look at it. He loved the front end. While the front end is controversial, it's not as bad in person as the pics. It is actually growing on me. I never thought that would happen, but, I'm starting to like it.
The rest of the car is beautiful. The rear is really stylish.
I really like this car. I am probably going to consider it to replace my Mazda6 with. I'm also really happy that the pricing is virtually the same. That's a big thing, considering our economy.
This car will sell well. I really like it. The test drive is what really sold me. It really is much better then the 09. I didn't think that was possible, but, Mazda did it. They improved on perfection. Kudos.
#229 of 832 Re: 2010 Test Drive [aviboy97]
Mar 03, 2009 (11:54 am)
Excellent comments. Thanks so much for keeping us all updated.
Can't wait to get my hands on my Grand Touring Hatchback!!
#230 of 832 Re: 2010 Test Drive [Susie3mhs]
Mar 03, 2009 (12:38 pm)
I will let you know when you can expect to see them on dealer lots. Mazda has not shipped any just yet.
#231 of 832 Re: 2010 Test Drive [aviboy97]
Mar 03, 2009 (2:06 pm)
Thank you so much!!
You're the best...wish you were closer so I could give you the sale
#232 of 832 Re: 2010 Test Drive [aviboy97]
Mar 03, 2009 (4:31 pm)
My local dealer has one (hatchback) in Liquid Silver. GT automatic. It is beautiful. It came in Friday night with the 4-door. Both look great.
#233 of 832 Re: Temperature gauges... [shipo]
Mar 03, 2009 (8:50 pm)
So it sounds like the gauge works off a temperature switch like an idiot light and not an actual sending unit. Yes, I have noticed the sudden spikes that the temp gauge makes in my 09. My 2004 Dodge responds gradually like older vehicles. While it is a slight dissapointment I would still take the gauge over the warning light. According to Avi it sounds like the road noise is improved as compared to the 09. And I was hoping it was just the tires.