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Future Vehicles Article Comments - 2010 Acura TL SH-AWD 6MT First Drive
61 messages, Last post on Nov 18, 2008 at 11:28 AM
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2010 Acura TL SH-AWD 6MT First Drive - First Impressions: Not since the NSX has Acura had such a focused tool poised to shatter expensive glass ceilings. Problem is, the other guys have significantly upgraded models in the pipeline, too. (more)
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Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 09, 2008 8:40 am) Even going from really good summer tires to really crappy R-compounds makes a difference. Kumhos to Toyos to Hoosiers make a difference, in fact some road racing classes have spec tires for just this reason. Honda Challenge for instance requires all cars to run Toyo RA1 tires. As for the comments about the olympics, I agree, similar to drift events they are judged events, however, I would like to know how me racing an AUTOMATIC in a Sports Car race would yield my car not a sports car?????? That was your original post, that no car with an automatic could be considered a sports car. -mike Motorsports and Modifications Host
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Replying to: tayl0rd (Oct 02, 2008 7:10 am) Really now? - no V8........I geuss Lotus isnt serious with the Elise? Porche's hardly serious then too. - still have a FWD 4-cylinder w/ barely more than 200HP in the lineup ....its a sedan, slow and pokey like a 328 - mainly FWD or front-biased AWD vehicles....You already said FWD cars. - disproportionate amount of weight hanging over the front wheels ....Just like that V8 audi it trounced...I geuss Audi's not serious about anything but a price tag. Yep, they're really serious about performance! And you can't possibly think the RL is even remotely in the same league as the S-class/7-series/A8??? The only thing it has in common with those cars is that it's the "top tier" of the product line. It's certainly not a competitor. ......Exactly...what's your point?
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Replying to: thegripper (Oct 09, 2008 7:20 pm) But at least the 328i is RWD with ideal weight balance. Nobody said Audi was a pinnacle of handling performance. My point was, the person I was replying to said the RL compares w/ those cars.
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Replying to: paisan (Oct 09, 2008 7:16 pm) I'll concede that tires can make an incremental diference in a road race. And if the cars are relatively evenly matched in other ways, that increment can be the difference between wining and losing. On the other hand, on public roads, the best tires in the world tires are not going to make a 62/38 front weight biased FWD 2009 Maxima handle and perform like a 50/50 balanced RWD 335i. If all you needed was a great set of tires to make up for a wallowy suspension and lousy chassis engineering, automotive design would be a lot easier. But in reality, you have BMW, Porsche and Ferrari engineers staying up late at night working on further refining their offerings, while Lexus engineers are content to sleep soundly and dream up ways that Ms. Prissy can apply make-up at the same time she's yapping on the cell phone while driving her (automatic) SC430. As far as your slushbox torque converter equiped AUTOMATIC sports car? You seem incapable of understanding my distinction, but I'll try one last time. Drive whatever you want in a road race. Diesel pick-up for all I care. That doesn't change my definition of a sports car. Even if you happen to win. "Sport" is about ACTIVE participation, IMO. And when you take away one of the three pedals in a true sports car, that castration dramatically changes the amount of driver involvement and participation. Am I a narrow minded purist? Perhaps, but you aren't going to change my mind even if you take your slushbox to the podium at Monaco. Why are you so insistent that I consider you automatic transmissioned whatever a "sports car"? Does that make my 90 year old mother's Buick one too? Hell, I'm more impressed that you did well, in spite of having a slushbox. But again, it's all about the connection between "sport" and active participation. That's my distinction and if you don't like it, tough - you are welcome to make your own. |
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Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 10, 2008 8:34 am) 
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Replying to: tayl0rd (Oct 10, 2008 8:57 am) |
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Replying to: tayl0rd (Oct 10, 2008 8:57 am) 
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Replying to: pat (Oct 10, 2008 12:35 pm) -mike Motorsports and Modifications Host |
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Replying to: tayl0rd (Oct 10, 2008 5:37 am) You mean the VW/Audi/Porsche SUV which is simply a rebadge VW? -mike Motorsports and Modifications Host |
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Replying to: habitat1 (Oct 10, 2008 8:34 am) If you are pushing any car to the limits of a Porsche or Ferrari on the street then you are driving well past any law on any road. I can drive a Kia up to and well past the legal limits on the road w/o any ill handling effects. However when you take a car to the track that's where you can put things to the test, and as such when they do the handling tests for magazines those tires are the things that are making the numbers hold true, because they are being pushed to the limit. As I said anyone who has pushed their car to the limits knows that the single most important modification is the tires. Give me a car with R-compounds, FWD and 150hp and I will outdrive a guy driving a Porsche with studded snow tires. As far as your slushbox torque converter equiped AUTOMATIC sports car? You seem incapable of understanding my distinction, but I'll try one last time. Drive whatever you want in a road race. Diesel pick-up for all I care. That doesn't change my definition of a sports car. Even if you happen to win. "Sport" is about ACTIVE participation, IMO. And when you take away one of the three pedals in a true sports car, that castration dramatically changes the amount of driver involvement and participation. Am I a narrow minded purist? Perhaps, but you aren't going to change my mind even if you take your slushbox to the podium at Monaco. Why are you so insistent that I consider you automatic transmissioned whatever a "sports car"? Does that make my 90 year old mother's Buick one too? Hell, I'm more impressed that you did well, in spite of having a slushbox. But again, it's all about the connection between "sport" and active participation. That's my distinction and if you don't like it, tough - you are welcome to make your own. First, no one said that ALL Automatics are sports cars. However you seem to be insitent on the fact that everything is all or nothing. Second of all, let's take things a step further. What is your stand on Traction control, ABS, Power Brakes, Power Steering, Power Windows, Power Door Locks, Electronically Controlled LSDs, Electronically controlled Shocks, Sequential Gearboxes, ECUs (of any kind), Synchros in your Manual Gear Box... All of these things take "control" away according to your definition, so there is absolutely no sports cars left, if we follow your very strict definition!  -mike Motorsports and Modifications Host
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