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#119 of 134
Re: Any new updates? [nstuff] by nstuff
Apr 20, 2009 (6:48 pm)
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Replying to: nstuff (Apr 20, 2009 6:21 pm)

disregard the comment about the random feature staying on when switching audio sources. I reread some comments about that earlier in this thread. From prior comments, i can see that things will most likely stay the way they were on the older version.
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Re: Any new updates? [nstuff] by themerg
Apr 22, 2009 (3:27 pm)
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Replying to: nstuff (Apr 20, 2009 6:48 pm)

Yeah, the Random issue is still present. It will stick when going back and forth from the Map to the iPod, but will not stick if you switch to a completely different input or turn off the vehicle.
 
I was told by the developer that it had to do with how the iPod is connected and they cannot change that. I disagree with that though. All it would take would be to store the current setting of the Random property similar to how they are storing the radio stations in memory, your settings for the Navigation system, etc. When you select the Aux input, it would just pull up that setting.
 
As for the new Random order, it is also a little confusing. It says Album Random, which to me meant that it would play the current album in a random order. Instead, it means that it will play a random album when it is finished playing the current album.
 
I also think they dropped the ball when it comes to listing the playlists, artists, and albums. I think they should use the blank space to the left of the listings to show groupings of letters. That way you can easily jump to that group of letters. It can take a while for the list to scroll to the M's when you have a couple thousand songs on your iPod.
 
It would have also been nice to have a "Play Random" button at the top of any playlist/artisit/album. That way you could easily select one and have it start to randomly play as opposed to having to select at least one song and then hitting random.
 
As for the actual navigation, 've also noticed that the time estimates are not very accurate. According to the Navigation setup, there are three types of roads that you set the average speed (local, main, interstate). When setting up a route and selecting minimize interstate, I'll notice the the little mileage indicator will display that my route is 0 miles on the interstate. Yet, my time to drive my route is almost 1 mile per minute (thus estimating a speed of almost 60mph). If I alter the Navigation setting for the Interstate speed, my time for these routes will change. On the map, these roads are being displayed though only as local or main roads. Obviously there is a mix-up here somewhere.
 
Just a little venting...
 
- Merg
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Another little vent... by themerg
Apr 23, 2009 (9:05 am)
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What is the purpose of the Repeat button when playing music from your iPod? It only repeats the current song. I'm trying to think of a time when I would want the same song to repeat over and over and over again. It's not even that it is for repeating the playing of a playlist as when a playlist is finished playing it automatically starts over again.
 
Ugh...
 
- Merg
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Substantial Rant by logic3
Jun 11, 2009 (7:36 am)
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Replying to: themerg (Apr 23, 2009 9:05 am)

I view my "premium" audio navigation system as a key piece of my vehicle although my dealership takes an "oh well" attitutude. First rant: My < 6 month old 2009 Sonata has 11/15/07 map data on it ! I can't get my dealer / service to consider uploading new info either because they are scared or neophytes. The RANDOM key frost my butt. I use a memory stick with 100's of songs (16Meg). But, by golly, when I turn the car off for the night and get up the next morning, that random "RANDOM" key just plays the same songs that I heard yesterday even starting from exactly the same song that it start with yesterday. This is repeatable and I view it as a bug. Didn't their coders hear of a random seed value? timestamp, or for heaven sake, us a track/sector number off the file index. Yes, this happens even mid stream, so if I go into my file list and force select a song of my choosing, then hit random... guess what?... back to the same darn song again (yup, groundhog day over and over). To me, this should be a recall item. If this was an aftermarket or standalone device, I'd return it and get my money back. Anybody think this should be escalated or have legal recourse ?
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Re: Substantial Rant [logic3] by dave868
Jun 11, 2009 (6:46 pm)
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Replying to: logic3 (Jun 11, 2009 7:36 am)

I agree that both your dealership and Hyundai should take your concerns seriously. Thats just good customer service. But even in today's litigious world, I don't think that you can sue a company for playing the same song over again.
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Re: Substantial Rant [dave868] by newowner10
Jun 15, 2009 (3:44 am)
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Replying to: dave868 (Jun 11, 2009 6:46 pm)

Did they tell you there would be a random seed? How much is the value of the care reduced?. What happens if you advance the song 30 places then hit random. I would be more upset regarding placing a maintance item in the fuel tank.
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Re: Substantial Rant [logic3] by themerg
Jun 15, 2009 (3:59 am)
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Replying to: logic3 (Jun 11, 2009 7:36 am)

Check your software version to see if you have v_A3_3 or v_015... V_A3_3 is the most recent version that you can get via a TSB from your dealer. The v_015 is the version you get if you purchased the update for the map. I'm assuming that you don't have that as you state your map is from November 2007, which was the initial release of the map.
 
If you don't have v_A3_3 though, I would go to your dealer and get that update. There were some significant improvements, which I believe included the Random issue that you are referring to.
 
- Merg
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Re: Substantial Rant [newowner10] by logic3
Jun 15, 2009 (8:38 am)
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Replying to: newowner10 (Jun 15, 2009 3:44 am)

There is a good discussion about randomness at: http://ask.metafilter.com/23813/Is-an-ipod-on-shuffle-truly-random
 
If I advance a song "list" or even an album "list" 30 places or 35 or even 42, it always seems to go back to a song starting with A (within 1 hop) and then sequence through it's own designated sequence which maybe some time I'll take them time to map out.
 
And no, they didn't tell me about a random seed, this is a pretty well know topic on psuedo-random number generators, monte-carlo theory and roulette. Apple seems to have gotten in right in their implementation as have other systems including windows media player, etc.
 
I'm not sure of the maintenance item / fuel tank comment. Seems random to me!
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Do NOT buy the Navigation System! by awriter
Aug 17, 2009 (6:12 pm)
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I'm shocked to see no references in this thread to what is a growing national scandal for the Sonata's Navigation system. I have a 2009 Sonata Limited with 2500 miles on it.
 
A few weeks ago my nav screen began to act strangely. The screen would stay on the blue 'Hyundai' for a long time before going over to Navigation or Sound system, or would stay on for as long as I drove the car.
 
A week ago, the blue screen didn't show up at all. Instead, there was only a gray screen that flickered. Within another few days, that was replaced by wild flashes of blue screen, gray screen and video-gone-wild -- like a TV that's gone nuts. And there's no way to shut it off without shutting off the car. It's now completely undriveable at night -- and not much better during the day. I'm worried it might set off an epileptic fit. Seriously.
 
Here are the steps I took to address the problem:
 
1: I googled the flickering screen. Nothing.
2: I called Hyundai Net and spoke to a technician, Charlie. Didn't get two words into describing it when he stopped me. Turns out Hyundai has known about this problem for some time. The original units had bad chip sets. Charlie said the chip sets were fixed, the bad units recalled from the distribution centers, and new units sent out.
3: Naively, I called my dealer to arrange to bring the car in to have the bad unit pulled and a new one put in, only to discover that there are NO units. Anywhere in the country. They are on back order for months, if not the foreseeable future.
 
This is simply unacceptable. I paid a premium price for the car, and an extra $1200 for the navigation unit. That it should not only break after 2500 miles -- bad enough -- but that it should render the car extremely difficult to drive and never mind the fact that I also can't use either the nav system itself or even the radio is outrageous in the extreme.
 
Here are the steps I'm going to take to be made whole:
 
1: I will take videos of the problem and upload them to YouTube.
2: I will start a blog about the problem, urging customers to buy any other car but a Hyundai. There will be links to the videos as well.
3: I will contact Consumerist.org and have them report the story and link to the blog and videos. That will get the story and links on Digg, Facebook, and the rest of the net.
4: I will start a Twitter feed, marking every single day the problem remains unfixed.
5: I will take Hyundai to small claims court and sue them for the $1200, bringing the videos with me to be played on my cell phone. I have no doubt I will win.
 
I urge everyone who owns a 2009 Hyundai model with a Nav unit and who is reading this to bookmark this post. When your unit breaks down -- and if it is an original unit it WILL break down -- you may want to follow in my footsteps. I'll report any progress made back on this thread. Hyundai needs to know that it cannot cause major problems for its customers and refuse to do anything about it.
 
Lisa
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Re: Do NOT buy the Navigation System! [awriter] by newowner10
Aug 18, 2009 (3:50 am)
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Replying to: awriter (Aug 17, 2009 6:12 pm)

What do you expect Hyundai to do? If the units are defective they are replacing them as quick as possible. Do you expect they have 20,000 extra units sitting on a shelf in case the units were defective? If they did that the ones on the shelf would be defective also. Should they do this with every part on the car?

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