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Sedans BMW 5-Series Hyundai Genesis vs. Audi A6 vs. Lexus GS vs. BMW 5 series
60 messages, Last post on Sep 12, 2009 at 9:23 AM
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Replying to: reality2 (Jan 02, 2009 3:07 pm) 09 CTS-V vs. 08 BMW M5 SMG It's good that the premium makes have a racing tradition, but it doesn't necessarily equate to greatness. I mean...look at the respect that Acura isn't getting with it's racing heritage behind it. Hyundai actually does have a racing tradition, but it's in rally racing and the Tiburon that they race has been consistently at the top. I'm glad to see someone that can really put it like it is in regards to the Genesis. 
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Replying to: swixon (Jan 03, 2009 8:35 am)  Also, I don't know if Audi's reputation has gotten better in regards to their vehicles always being in the shop, but I've known a few Audi owners over the years and that was the one consistent complaint I heard. Don't beat me down, I'm not saying it's a problem...I'm just saying what I had heard. At any rate...in terms of luxury feel, the Genesis is probably right up there with the A6, but in terms of driving dynamics, the Audi will truly outshine the Genesis on every level.
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Replying to: reality2 (Jan 02, 2009 3:07 pm) It may be a great car but it doesn't outsell the 5 series yet alone the rest. Check theautochannel.com. Here's an example in August 2008 ytd sales of the 5 series were about 32,000, A6, 8,000.
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jan 05, 2009 2:22 pm) That may be the choice for you, but value is in the eyes of the beholder. There is a certain pay more, get more mentality. Although whether what you perceive as the "get more" is the value that cause the 5 series for example to lead the pack in luxury sedans as opposed to lead the pack with luxury appointments.
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Jan 06, 2009 12:46 pm) A huge gimme here is the free maintenance package you get with a BMW for 4 years or 50k miles (I believe that's correct)...that in itself is a huge value. I mean...one reason you used to see a lot of BMW's on the used car lots was because folks would get them, but then get rid of them because of maintenance costs. Now...you only focus on paying the car note which is very appealing.
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Jan 06, 2009 12:43 pm) It may be a great car but it doesn't outsell the 5 series yet alone the rest. Check theautochannel.com. Here's an example in August 2008 ytd sales of the 5 series were about 32,000, A6, 8,000 I believe he was discussing worldwide numbers where the A6 does outsell the 5 series. You in turn are looking at the US numbers.
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Replying to: kgary (Jan 07, 2009 4:46 am) |
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Replying to: kdshapiro (Jan 06, 2009 12:43 pm) |
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Replying to: allmet33 (Jan 06, 2009 12:53 pm) BMW and Mercedes are well know for moving volume through easy financing. Why do you thing there are so many BMWs on the road. Also, that is why BMW has seen the floor fall from under them with their residual values crashing and showing 40% sales drops. Not to mention losing $400 million in the US alone. So, yes the 5-Series may sell more, but if you give them away, hey then get the above is the result. So, sales volumes don't show the whole picture. On the other hand, Audi now leads MB and BMW in residual values and its profits are soaring even in today's grime global economy. Cannot say the same for its competitors. So, look at the whole picture more carefully before spewing volume numbers. Audi is the only premium brand to show growth globally in 2008.
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Replying to: reality2 (Jan 08, 2009 7:46 pm) 
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