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Hyundai Genesis, Lexus GS 460, BMW 5 Series, Audi A6, Lexus GS 350, Car Comparisons, Coupe, Sedan
#56 of 75 If you like Avalon and considering ES 350, check out the 2010 Buick Lacross
Aug 22, 2009 (10:20 pm)
Ah, but have they solved the resale problem?
If I bought an ES 350, I wuld probably do the same suspension upgrades that I have done to my wife's 03 Avalon as detailed in the 04 and earlier Av forum. Handles much more like a BMW now and is more fun to drive. Tried out a new Cad STS AWD V8. Heavier feel, but I prefer the AV. Don't like the Cad steering feel. CTS too.
#57 of 75 Re: If you like Avalon and considering ES 350, check out the 2010 Buick Lac
Sep 12, 2009 (7:17 am)
Rather than wasting money on suspension upgrades for an ES350, I would just spend $5000 more and get a GS350. GS350 has superb handling, a more powerful engine (I think it is because of direct injection), and drives as well as a BMW. No front wheel drive car will match that.
On the Genesis - I agree its a good car and don't believe reliability issues are widespread. But a Hyundai dealership just can't provide a premium service experience. I went in there, and just did not want to deal with a service guy who barely speaks English and has a gold tooth. Its just not confidence inspiring. Plus if you ever need a loaner you get stuck with some crappy 4 cylinder hyundai instead of getting a Lexus ES350, IS250 or RX350 loaner which is what Lexus offers. I think Hyundai was extremely naive in trying to start a luxury car business without separate dealerships.
#58 of 75 Re: If you like Avalon and considering ES 350, check out the 2010 Buick Lac [prema1]
Sep 12, 2009 (7:45 am)
"Rather than wasting money on suspension upgrades for an ES350"
Well, if $$$ were no concern.......... but I can do the suspension upgrade for 1/10 of that and still have a fine car. What does one really need? As opposed to what would I like to have. Guess I'm just too practical. That's why I will buy when they come off 3 year lease and the price is down. That initial depreciation is like flushing the money down the toilet. I have no debt and I want no debt. Personal choice. Don't like paying others for using their money either. Also like flushing it down a toilet. I pay cash because of what I have saved doing it like this. Takes discipline and not for everyone but it works great for me.
#59 of 75 Re: If you like Avalon and considering ES 350, check out the 2010 Buick Lac
Sep 12, 2009 (9:23 am)
I also have no debt, no leases, pay cash and get really good deals. I was simply making the point that suspension upgrades cost money upfront which are pure depreciation because they aren't worth much of a premium to used car buyers.
#61 of 75 2012 genesis impressive
Sep 08, 2011 (6:00 pm)
for those who had minor issues/turn off about Genesis suspension , now have little to say with the 2012 version.
Already own the Genesis coupe and ready soon to trade it in for a family sedan with some sport. (infinity M, BMW 528, Genesis)
Took the coupe in for service and test drove the 2012 Genesis 3.8 and color me impressed.
I was already impressed with the car when it was first born, but the 2012 drives even more refined and looks even better.
It is no longer a pre tender and is a real option when cross shopping vs bmws, infinitys, mercedes imo (other than for brand image, which hyundai is improving upon every day). Because the price for it is low, it can also be an option for buyers interested in semi luxurious cars like maxima, avalon too.
Pros: Refined to respectability, suspension is on par with the best in its class, handsome looks (last years model rear tail lights not aging well, front grill doesn't blend in well with rest of the car), best car you can buy for the money
cons: Interior could be more modern, 8 speed auto geared towards smooth and gas saving vs 6 speed zf which was better for "sport".
#62 of 75 Re: 2012 genesis impressive [rocketdan1]
Sep 08, 2011 (8:08 pm)
So what did they change about the suspension? I wouldn't buy one the way Hyundai's were. Too jiggly.
#63 of 75 Re: 2012 genesis impressive 
Sep 09, 2011 (3:43 am)
From what I've read on other forums, they have softened it a little. I also read that they finally dumped the DUnlop SP 5000 tires (which have a terrible consumer ranking on Tire Rack) in favor of something different. I can't remember what brand.
If the ride is much improved over the 09-11 it would be a good thing for Hyundai. I dumped my 09 V6 after 2 years and 21K miles, I just couldn't stand the ride any longer. Jittery and unsettled to say the least.
#64 of 75 Re: 2012 genesis impressive 
Sep 09, 2011 (4:07 am)
yeah they did. its not "jiggle" or "bouncy" like some have complained before
its now planted but absorb bumps before transmitted inside the cabin.
The genesis suspension was a little confused with the last model. Hyundai tried to be comfortable and sport , but didn't marry them in proper harmony.
The 2012 has got it right from my long test drive.
#65 of 75 Re: 2012 genesis impressive [tjc78]
Sep 12, 2011 (4:07 pm)
They have Michelin's on them now, forgot which brand.