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Hyundai Genesis vs. Audi A6 vs. Lexus GS vs. BMW 5 series

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#40 of 60 Re: 2009 Genesis vs. Audi A6 vs. Lexus GS vs. BMW 5 series [adamjmank] by 55396 Jun 08, 2009 (1:06 pm)
Replying to: adamjmank (May 05, 2009 3:36 pm) My daughter has an 06 Sonata, replacing a 97 Camry, one of which we also had. My first impression was that it didn't measure up to the Camry and the ride was too stiff. I drove it again last week and didn't notice those things, except that the seat doesn't go back nearly far enough. She loves it, esp the V6. Performs well. Give the Genisis some time. I'll keep my wifes 03 Avalon with KYB GR2 struts and Energy sway bar bushings, and 31 MPG. Totally different car after the changes. Big change in feel when we replaced the standard 15" wheels with the 16? summer mags too. Fun now. Details in the Avalon forum.
#41 of 60 Re: 2009 Genesis vs. Audi A6 vs. Lexus GS vs. BMW 5 series [choe13] by prema1 Jun 23, 2009 (2:32 pm)
Replying to: choe13 (Sep 22, 2008 5:38 pm) I was a life-long BMW driver. I had a 325, 328 and most recently a 330Ci. I was looking at upgrading to a BMW 550i, when I decided to test-drive a Lexus GS460.   I was totally blown away by the Lexus. Superior build quality, superior handling (with the standard active suspension on the GS460), better steering experience, much more intuitive user interface (I love the touch screen), and much more engaging styling inside and out (matter of taste but comparing them back to back, the BMW design seemed outdated).   I should comment more on the handling. I am a performance driver. I used to take my 330 to the track. What impressed me about BMW historically is that the suspension is good in almost every setting. Other cars are tuned either for comfort but don't corner well (Benz E500, Genesis) or for performance but give you a jarring ride on bumpy roads (Infiniti M45, Audi A6). BMW 550 has a great balance of comfortable but performance oriented ride. However the GS460 is much better. The cornering experience is much superior due to the active suspension which holds it flat in sports mode. You really feel like you can throw the car around and engage the curves. In comfort mode, the car deals with the bumpy city streets much better than the BMW without losing its basic sportiness. Coming from a BMW330Ci (one of BMWs best non-M cars) I was blown away by the Lexus driving experience compared to BMW.   The other factor was the electronics. I found the BMW iDrive totally distracting. In my old car tuning the satellite radio was really a pain. I love the intuitiveness of the Lexus touch screen. It's no iPhone, but to draw an analogy, the Lexus feels like using an iPhone while the BMW feels like using a Windows Mobile phone. They deliver almost the same functionality, but the Lexus system is so much easier and more pleasant to use.   The only downside with the Lexus is the factory tires are not as good as those on the 550 if the 550 comes with Pilotsport 2s. I just upgraded the tires on the Lexus to Michelin PilotSport 2s and that closed the gap. With these tires the Lexus is smooth, grippy (strikingly so in the rain) and has great road feel. Replies to this message: tayl0rd (Jul 06, 2009 12:02 pm)
#42 of 60 Re: 2009 Genesis vs. Audi A6 vs. Lexus GS vs. BMW 5 series [prema1] by tayl0rd Jul 06, 2009 (12:02 pm)
Replying to: prema1 (Jun 23, 2009 2:32 pm) ... BMW 550 has a great balance of comfortable but performance oriented ride. However the GS460 is much better. The cornering experience is much superior due to the active suspension which holds it flat in sports mode. ...   You do know that the ('08+) 550i Sport has Active Roll Stabilization (ARS)? It's the same concept as the Lexus system you're praising. You must not've been driving the 550i Sport or it was older than '08.
#43 of 60 Hyundai Genesis Sedan serious problems by rjj718 Aug 15, 2009 (6:06 pm)
I leased a 2009 Genesis Sedan (V 8 with techno package) a week ago yesterday. Today (with less than 500 miles on the vehicle) I was driving it down Alligator Alley in Fla, two hours from home, in the middle of an afternoon rainstorm. Suddenly, with no warning, things just went off -- lights, dashboard lights, windshield wipers, window controls, door lock controls, all air conditioning. It was raining so hard I couldn't see. If it had been dark, and without lights of any kind and no wipers, I would have been dead. The hazard lights wouldn't even work. It was a miracle that I made it (slowly and stressfully) to my exit, but the car totally died a mile from home and had to be pushed off the road. Has this happened to anyone? Does anybody have any idea what this could be? Perhaps I got a lemon. I sold a Mercedes to get into this car, and up to now I was very happy with it. Replies to this message: 55396 (Aug 16, 2009 10:23 am) rjj718 (Aug 17, 2009 7:22 am) 55396 (Aug 17, 2009 8:04 am) rk2469 (Aug 20, 2009 1:57 pm) rjj718 (Aug 20, 2009 6:17 pm)
#44 of 60 Re: Hyundai Genesis Sedan serious problems [rjj718] by 55396 Aug 16, 2009 (10:23 am)
Replying to: rjj718 (Aug 15, 2009 6:06 pm) No clue here, but I would be interested in hearing about your Mercedes experience in view of their reliability problems with models after say, 2000. What year and model did you have? Any reason other than price for not buying another? Replies to this message: rjj718 (Aug 17, 2009 7:22 am) 55396 (Aug 17, 2009 8:04 am)
#45 of 60 Re: Hyundai Genesis Sedan serious problems [55396] by rjj718 Aug 17, 2009 (7:22 am)
Replying to: 55396 (Aug 16, 2009 10:23 am) I bought the R350 in March of 2006. The vehicle was a dream for long distance/interstate travel, which I do a lot of in my business, and roomy for transporting customers and their luggage, etc, from the airport. The third row seats were rarely used as they were rather cramped. People loved the sunroof that extended over the back seat. In-town driving was sluggish and rather ponderous. I should have gotten the more powerful engine. I had to get rid of the vehicle because of ongoing problems with the electrical system. The navigation/sound system display panel, while beautiful, was a problem. It had to be replaced 3 times. The navigation system itself wasn't great and therefore rarely used. Air conditioner control buttons stripped out on a regular basis, despite careful handing, and had to be replaced several times. There were other problems with the air conditioner--it totally went out on me twice, which is a misery in South Florida. I went through 3 batteries in 3 years, which is not normal in my opinion. The interior had some minor appearance problems -- the tabs on the air conditioner vents broke, seat belt covers fell off, the steering wheel was a nice wood but the parts of it coated in sliver flaked off. My local service center was fine, and all of these problems were voluntarily serviced under warranty, except for the batteries, but for the last year I had the car they eliminated the Mercedes loaner program and switched to Enterprise rentals. For what you pay for a Mercedes you really don't want to have to drive a Focus stinking of stale cigarette smoke around town while all of these issues are attended to. Any of this sound familiar? Replies to this message: 55396 (Aug 17, 2009 8:04 am)
#46 of 60 Re: Hyundai Genesis Sedan serious problems [rjj718] by 55396 Aug 17, 2009 (8:04 am)
Replying to: rjj718 (Aug 17, 2009 7:22 am) "Any of this sound familiar?"   Yes, that's why I asked. I wondered if they had gotten their act together. How could Mercedes have sunk this far? More importantly, why haven't corrected their quality problems after all these years? Between them and the American car companies, they have made it a walk in the park for the Asian manufacturers to become dominant. Shame on them. Now they're paying the price. Arrogance can do that.
#47 of 60 Lexus by bmlexus Aug 17, 2009 (11:37 am)
After reading the above 2messages, I found 1more reason to trust lexus.   I was expecting the hyundai genesis to be a nice car, but what can I say now. Replies to this message: allmet33 (Aug 17, 2009 11:43 am) 55396 (Aug 17, 2009 12:01 pm) tjc78 (Aug 17, 2009 12:37 pm)
#48 of 60 Re: Lexus [bmlexus] by allmet33 Aug 17, 2009 (11:43 am)
Replying to: bmlexus (Aug 17, 2009 11:37 am) Hey...bmlexus...have you driven one personally or are you simply going by other people's opinions???   No...the Genesis isn't a BMW, nor is it a Lexus...however...for the money you spend and what you get for the money, it's not merely a nice car....it's a great car (for the money). Can't touch anything like it for the money!   The first mistake folks make (imho) is they are expecting it to be just like a BMW, Benz, Infiniti or Lexus. Early on, it was stated that the 5-Series and E-Class were the benchmark of the Genesis. That merely means that those were the cars that set the standard that Hyundai was shooting for when they created the Genesis. Considering this is Hyundai's first attempt...I think they did remarkably well. Take one for a spin and you'll see what I mean.
#49 of 60 Re: Lexus [bmlexus] by 55396 Aug 17, 2009 (12:01 pm)
Replying to: bmlexus (Aug 17, 2009 11:37 am) "I was expecting the hyundai genesis to be a nice car, but what can I say now. "   It might be prudent to see if there is a pattern here and if so, how they stand behind it. Probably not wise to condemn on one report. Probably not my cup of tea, but I'm impressed how they came of the cellar on their first attempts, zoomed right past American companies and rose to the top of the quality ratings. I give credit where credit is due.

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