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Re: The Rebirth of Buick......... [cooterbfd] (Re: The Rebirth of Buick...) [fintail] by sls002
Sep 23, 2008 (6:18 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Sep 21, 2008 4:13 pm)

I owned a 91 Reatta. It was not sports car, but it was not a bad car. On the other hand, the Riviera of that period was probably just as good. I would point out that the Mercedes SL's in the 70's and 80's were not sports cars either and did not compare with the 300SL gullwing. The Reatta was a cheap SL knockoff of sorts and much cheaper than the Allante. Why GM thought they could sell both the Reatta and the Allante is beyond me. Neither sold well.
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Sep 23, 2008 (6:27 am)
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I have owned numerous Buicks, the last was the 95 Riviera. I liked the Buicks because I got a lot of the stuff that was otherwise only available on Cadilliacs, such as fully automatic climate control. The interiors were nice, but not overstuffed like the Olds Regency or Cadillac d'Elegance. But the 95 Riviera interior was too plastic for my taste, as was the 98 Aurora. I think that the Cadillac interiors on my 2002 Seville and my 2007 SRX are closer to what Buicks should have.
 
I don't know if Buick's sales decline is related to the cheapening of the interiors or if it is a result of Buick offering very few models in the last ten years. Before Olds was dumped, Buick only offered the midsize and full size cars, basically two platforms. Now they offer three platforms.
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Re: The Rebirth of Buick......... [cooterbfd] (Re: The Rebirth of Buick...) by fintail
Sep 23, 2008 (7:21 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 23, 2008 6:18 am)

My judgment of the car is more on the owner than the car itself
 
It seems the Allante was as close to an SL as a period SL was to a gullwing.
 
GM was arguably at its most clueless in the late 80s and early 90s. And that's saying something.
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Re: . [sls002] by fintail
Sep 23, 2008 (7:24 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 23, 2008 6:27 am)

A co-worker of mine inherited a lowish miles 94 LeSabre from his grandparents. The upholstery itself is OK for what the car is, but the interior plastics and the dashboard itself are pretty laughable. I can't imagine it being any better when the car was new, either. The car has held up decently otherwise, but the insides don't make one think of a quality product.
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GM has released its by nippononly
Sep 23, 2008 (8:25 am)
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so-called "Top 10 Production Vehicles" (of all time), for its centennial, and Buick doesn't bear a mention:
 
http://www.autoobserver.com/2008/09/gm-chooses-its-best-ever-cars-money-making-t- - rucks-noticeably-absent.html#more
 
Indeed, Saturn, Cadillac, Chevy, and Pontiac all make the list with at least one vehicle, heck even SAAB makes the list (with a vehicle that was designed WAAAAY before GM had ANYTHING to do with Saab), but Buick gets dis(mis)sed...
 
...the list does not represent top sellers or anything, as the Silverado also is not on it. I guess I don't see the case for Buick being anything more than a Chinese division of GM in future, and if GM has nothing good to say about them for the centennial, maybe they are thinking the same way?
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What about gas mileage? by yanker
Sep 23, 2008 (9:13 am)
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Buick would get a lot more consideration if they would just raise gas mileage figures by 8-10 ^
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Re: GM has released its [nippononly] by fintail
Sep 23, 2008 (9:18 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Sep 23, 2008 8:25 am)

A 1910 Caddy and the accepted milestone of the 1912 car? Certainly something else could be seen as more significant than the 1910 car. Even the space-efficient dowsized models, or maybe the early FI applications. Or for a Buick, maybe the first Century, which was a predecessor of the "performance" (for the period) sedan. The Saab is a dorky choice too, as well as the mention of GM tanks in neutral Sweden, and the idea of a 1930s Opel not being "politically correct" is silly.
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Re: GM has released its [fintail] by nippononly
Sep 23, 2008 (11:06 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Sep 23, 2008 9:18 am)

Or for a Buick, maybe the first Century
 
What year was that?
 
Oh, and BTW, if Buick is "the US's second oldest remaining nameplate", what is the oldest? Is Ford older? Oldsmobile was the oldest until it was canned, right?
 
As for GM's top 10 list, I thought it odd, yes. I merely included it in the commentary because it may indicate something about how important GM considers Buick to be in its grand scheme.
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Re: GM has released its [nippononly] by andre1969
Sep 23, 2008 (11:21 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Sep 23, 2008 11:06 am)

The first Buick Century was the 1936 model. It was created by putting the big engine from the senior models into the smaller, lighter body. Whereas the Special had a 233 inline-8 with 93 hp, the Century had a big 320 inline-8 with 120 hp.
 
I think Cadillac is the oldest US nameplate. It was founded in 1902. Ford Motor Company was founded in 1903, although Henry Ford did build cars before that. Buick was also founded in 1903, but I don't know which one was founded first. Ironically, Ford was founded with considerable investment from John and Horace Dodge. Maybe that's where the Acronym "F Over Rebuilt Dodge" comes from?
 
One other car that I think would be significant for GM is the 1939 Oldsmobile. First car to offer a fully automatic transmission. And believe it or not, it was a 4-speed!

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