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Re: and so the rebadging continues? (nippononly) [andre1969] by lemko
Mar 17, 2009 (8:33 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Mar 17, 2009 8:08 am)

Yeah! A Buick should NOT be a cruddy Vega clone like a Skyhawk!
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Re: and so the rebadging continues? (nippononly) [hpmctorque] by nippononly
Mar 17, 2009 (10:19 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Mar 17, 2009 7:53 am)

if there's sufficient differentiation between the Chevy and the Buick?
 
That's a crucial if, and it's not exactly GM's strong suit, is it? Look no further than the Lambda quadruplets for the latest example of GM's attempt to do this. You be the judge. Personally, I would say there is nowhere near enough differentiation to have four versions.
 
Now, is the Buick substantially different from the other three? I know there are those that would say it is. Me, I don't really think so, but maybe there is as much difference as there is between a Camry V-6 XLE and an ES350. Maybe.
 
Toyota's long-term planning includes the next-gen ES350 (due in the next two years, I believe) no longer being related to the Camry, and I think that's a very good idea.
 
If I were in charge of Buick, I would ask to borrow the CTS platform, then shorten it to create a small Buick that is unique to the brand. Either that or borrow something wholesale from China.
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Re: and so the rebadging continues? (nippononly) [nippononly] by cooterbfd
Mar 18, 2009 (1:29 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Mar 17, 2009 10:19 am)

".....Either that or borrow something wholesale from China."
 
Could that not be what this is, only both the Chinese and N.A. versions hit the showroom on the same day?
 
BTW, I saw a new Camry and ES 350 side by side at a red light today. Aside from the cosmetics (different taillights, added trim on the Lexus, and Badging) They looked IDENTICAL.
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Re: and so the rebadging continues? (nippononly) [cooterbfd] by berri
Mar 18, 2009 (4:28 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Mar 18, 2009 1:29 pm)

I'm not sure what a rebadged small car is going to do for Buick? The small Mercedes hasn't knocked anyones socks off the sales charts. I'm not sure the small BMW 1 series is a home run either. Lexus isn't out with a small compact. I'm thinking that a Chevy Cruze Buick will just reinforce people's opinion that Buick isn't changing from the 80's.
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Re: and so the rebadging continues? (nippononly) [berri] by cooterbfd
Mar 18, 2009 (5:00 pm)
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Replying to: berri (Mar 18, 2009 4:28 pm)

".....Lexus isn't out with a small compact. I'm thinking that a Chevy Cruze Buick will just reinforce people's opinion that Buick isn't changing from the 80's."
 
Lexus does have their IS, which is Corolla based. The C class and 3 series would be comparable in size to the Cruze, if it is comparable in size to the Cobalt.
 
Now, I'm not saying I'd agree with a Cruze based Buick myself, and unless it has a based price of $22-23K it may step on the Cruze itself, and where does that price the Lacrosse?? (I don't even want to go there)
 
Problem is, the BPG group will want a small (relatively), inexpensive car to sell at it's dealerships too. Pontiac makes the perfect sense for it, but it would be cheaper to make it the Buick, as it would be sold in China in pretty much the same form.
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Re: and so the rebadging continues? (nippononly) [cooterbfd] by dieselone
Mar 18, 2009 (6:43 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Mar 18, 2009 5:00 pm)

Lexus does have their IS, which is Corolla based.
 
Based on what!. The IS and Corolla have about as much in common as a Malibu and CTS, probably less since you can get the same v6 both the Malibu and CTS. What do the IS and Corolla have in common? The IS is RWD/AWD with a longer wheelbase and wider track and v6 engines only. The Corolla is FWD and only has 4cyl engines.
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Re: and so the rebadging continues? (nippononly) [cooterbfd] by anythngbutgm
Mar 19, 2009 (3:58 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Mar 18, 2009 5:00 pm)

Lexus does have their IS, which is Corolla based.
 
Nope
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Here ya go Lemko! by anythngbutgm
Mar 19, 2009 (4:01 am)
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link title
 
Just when it seemed the automotive world was in such upheaval that nothing more shocking could happen, Jaguar and Buick have tied for the top spot in the 2009 J.D. Power Vehicle Dependability Study.
 
Kudos.
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Re: and so the rebadging continues? (nippononly) [cooterbfd] by lemko
Mar 19, 2009 (4:09 am)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Mar 18, 2009 1:29 pm)

First time I saw an ES350, I thought it WAS a Camry until I saw the tipsy "L". Still not convinced, I thought, "Who's this knucklehead trying to fool people into thinking his Camry is a Lexus?" I think the Toyota Avalon is a much nicer car than the ES350.
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Re: and so the rebadging continues? (nippononly) [dieselone] by lemko
Mar 19, 2009 (4:10 am)
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Replying to: dieselone (Mar 18, 2009 6:43 pm)

Actually, the IS is based on a JDM car called the Toyota Altezza.

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