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#142 of 410 Re: "Re: It's here........ [andre1969] (lemko) [hpmctorque] by andre1969 Jan 09, 2009 (9:10 am)
Replying to: hpmctorque (Jan 09, 2009 8:30 am) One thing I'll say in defense of the current Malibu and Aura, which are also pretty porky for their size, is that they do seem like very sturdy cars. When you close a door, it just has an extra-solid feel to it. The area around the door openings, such as the lower sills and such, also seems extra thick.   So if the new LaCrosse is built on this same platform, it's just taking that solid feeling to new highs?   As for interior room, one area of criticism I've seen pointed out with the Aura and Malibu is the tight shoulder room, especially in the back seat. I think it's only something like 53.7", which is probably about the same as a 1980's Grand Am or Calais. Way too tight for 3-across seating, although IMO truly comfy 3-across seating went out in the 1970's with downsizing.   So if this new LaCrosse is targeted as an upscale car, rather than a mainstream family car, the tight shoulder room might not be too much of a concern.
#144 of 410 Re: "Re: It's here........ [andre1969] by hpmctorque Jan 09, 2009 (3:31 pm)
"...if the new LaCrosse is built on this same platform..."   The '10 LaCrosse is built on the second generation Epsilon platform. Is it possible that they enlarged some of the interior dimensions from the first generation?   Based on the pictures, they nailed the styling, and the interior is also nice, in my opinion. If the interior dimensioins are similar to those of the Delta platform, I could live with that more than the weight, which seems excessive.
#145 of 410 Re: It's here........ [hpmctorque] by nippononly Jan 09, 2009 (9:32 pm)
Replying to: hpmctorque (Jan 09, 2009 5:05 am) Everyone is making a fuss over the looks, but I think they are just OK, since you asked. It looks better than the Lexus ES, but that's not a high hurdle to leap!   Does the base engine get the DI too? That and the 6-speed auto are certainly two points in its favor, I agree.
#146 of 410 Re: It's here........[nippononly] by hpmctorque Jan 09, 2009 (11:47 pm)
"Does the base engine get the DI too?" Yes
#147 of 410 Re: It's here... by hpmctorque Jan 10, 2009 (12:00 am)
In terms of weight and maybe features, the '10 LaCrosse overlaps and competes with the Lucerne. I'm wondering whether this means that the next generation Lucerne will be RWD, to differentiate it from the LaCrosse. Or, will the Lucerne be dropped?   FWD works for mid range cars, but buyers tend to favor RWD for luxury cars, and, it seems, for the near-luxury category too. If, in going more upscale, the '10 LaCrosse is positioned to compete with the Toyota Avalon, Lexus ES350, Acura TL and Lincoln MKZ, then I presume the next Lucerne will have to compete with something above this level. Replies to this message: nippononly (Jan 10, 2009 7:12 am)
#148 of 410 Re: It's here... [hpmctorque] by nippononly Jan 10, 2009 (7:12 am)
Replying to: hpmctorque (Jan 10, 2009 12:00 am) Of course, the next ES350 will not just be a modified Camry V-6, it will be a unique model on a RWD platform. At least, that's what Toyota promised two or three years ago when times were flush....
#149 of 410 Well... by lemko Jan 10, 2009 (8:54 am)
...if they do replace the Lucerne with a RWD/AWD model, I suggest they call it the Park Avenue! Replies to this message: nippononly (Jan 10, 2009 12:36 pm)
#150 of 410 Porky..... by cooterbfd Jan 10, 2009 (9:21 am)
One thing about this I find intriguing (the 4000 lbs bothers me too, as my Wildcat weighs in at 4080 lbs), is the fact that it has an anti sway system in it, much in the way the new F-150 does. Could this mean that it will be capable of towing 3500, 4000 lbs???? Could that be a reason for some of this extra heft??? I mean, why have that even available if it can only tow 1500 or less???
#151 of 410 Re: It's here... [nippononly] by hpmctorque Jan 10, 2009 (10:14 am)
"Of course, the next ES350 will not just be a modified Camry V-6, it will be a unique model on a RWD platform."   I hadn't heard that, but you may well be right. If the ES was reconfigured for RWD, how would Lexus position it vis-a-vis the IS250/350 and the GS?

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