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#139 of 410 Re: It's here........ [andre1969] by lemko Jan 09, 2009 (7:01 am)
Replying to: andre1969 (Jan 09, 2009 6:54 am) All cars are too heavy nowadays. I'm pretty sure my girlfriend's LaCrosse outweighs my '88 Park Ave and my Cadillac DTS Performance feels like a Tiger tank compared to my '89 Brougham. Geeze, 4200 lbs? What does a 1979 New Yorker weigh? That figure sounds only a few hundred pounds short of my 1979 Park Avenue. Replies to this message: andre1969 (Jan 09, 2009 8:10 am)
#140 of 410 Re: It's here........ [lemko] by andre1969 Jan 09, 2009 (8:10 am)
Replying to: lemko (Jan 09, 2009 7:01 am) According to specs I've seen, the base weight of a 1979 New Yorker is 3850 lb. I'm wouldn't be surprised if mine is still above the 4,000 lb mark. One thing I'm a bit unclear on is whether a/c was standard on a NYer or not that year. That alone could easily account for 100 lb or more. And I imagine the 5th Ave has enough insulation, padding, and other crap to pork it up a bit over the base NYer.
#141 of 410 "Re: It's here........ [andre1969] (lemko) by hpmctorque Jan 09, 2009 (8:30 am)
"All cars are too heavy nowadays."   That's true, but 4,000-4,200 lbs. may set a new record for a mid-price car. That begs the question, what will the next Lucerne and large body cadillac weigh?   My first reaction is that the weight figures are disappointing for a car that seems to otherwise be very competitive. However, let's see if the inside dimensions, trunk space and other attributes justify or mitigate the porky aspects before we pass final judgment on this new LaCrosse. Replies to this message: andre1969 (Jan 09, 2009 9:10 am)
#142 of 410 Re: "Re: It's here........ [andre1969] (lemko) [hpmctorque] by andre1969 Jan 09, 2009 (9:10 am)
Replying to: hpmctorque (Jan 09, 2009 8:30 am) One thing I'll say in defense of the current Malibu and Aura, which are also pretty porky for their size, is that they do seem like very sturdy cars. When you close a door, it just has an extra-solid feel to it. The area around the door openings, such as the lower sills and such, also seems extra thick.   So if the new LaCrosse is built on this same platform, it's just taking that solid feeling to new highs?   As for interior room, one area of criticism I've seen pointed out with the Aura and Malibu is the tight shoulder room, especially in the back seat. I think it's only something like 53.7", which is probably about the same as a 1980's Grand Am or Calais. Way too tight for 3-across seating, although IMO truly comfy 3-across seating went out in the 1970's with downsizing.   So if this new LaCrosse is targeted as an upscale car, rather than a mainstream family car, the tight shoulder room might not be too much of a concern.
#144 of 410 Re: "Re: It's here........ [andre1969] by hpmctorque Jan 09, 2009 (3:31 pm)
"...if the new LaCrosse is built on this same platform..."   The '10 LaCrosse is built on the second generation Epsilon platform. Is it possible that they enlarged some of the interior dimensions from the first generation?   Based on the pictures, they nailed the styling, and the interior is also nice, in my opinion. If the interior dimensioins are similar to those of the Delta platform, I could live with that more than the weight, which seems excessive.
#145 of 410 Re: It's here........ [hpmctorque] by nippononly Jan 09, 2009 (9:32 pm)
Replying to: hpmctorque (Jan 09, 2009 5:05 am) Everyone is making a fuss over the looks, but I think they are just OK, since you asked. It looks better than the Lexus ES, but that's not a high hurdle to leap!   Does the base engine get the DI too? That and the 6-speed auto are certainly two points in its favor, I agree.
#146 of 410 Re: It's here........[nippononly] by hpmctorque Jan 09, 2009 (11:47 pm)
"Does the base engine get the DI too?" Yes
#147 of 410 Re: It's here... by hpmctorque Jan 10, 2009 (12:00 am)
In terms of weight and maybe features, the '10 LaCrosse overlaps and competes with the Lucerne. I'm wondering whether this means that the next generation Lucerne will be RWD, to differentiate it from the LaCrosse. Or, will the Lucerne be dropped?   FWD works for mid range cars, but buyers tend to favor RWD for luxury cars, and, it seems, for the near-luxury category too. If, in going more upscale, the '10 LaCrosse is positioned to compete with the Toyota Avalon, Lexus ES350, Acura TL and Lincoln MKZ, then I presume the next Lucerne will have to compete with something above this level. Replies to this message: nippononly (Jan 10, 2009 7:12 am)
#148 of 410 Re: It's here... [hpmctorque] by nippononly Jan 10, 2009 (7:12 am)
Replying to: hpmctorque (Jan 10, 2009 12:00 am) Of course, the next ES350 will not just be a modified Camry V-6, it will be a unique model on a RWD platform. At least, that's what Toyota promised two or three years ago when times were flush....

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