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#136 of 421 Re: It's here........ [cooterbfd] by nippononly Jan 08, 2009 (7:33 pm)
Replying to: cooterbfd (Jan 08, 2009 4:22 pm) 2 tons for the FWD, a 4200-pound curb weight for the AWD? Yikes, that's heavier than some trucks. All except the CXS will get a 3L engine with 211 lb-ft of torque to push all that steel around? They called the Five Hundred slow off the line when it was pushing 3600 pounds around with that much torque and displacement, and that was four years ago.   Is it a bit of a price shock to jump to a base price of $30K so quickly, and how does that align with pricing for the Lucerne? Replies to this message: andre1969 (Jan 09, 2009 6:54 am) lemko (Jan 09, 2009 7:01 am) andre1969 (Jan 09, 2009 8:10 am)
#137 of 421 Re: It's here........ [nippononly] by hpmctorque Jan 09, 2009 (5:05 am)
The weight of the 2010 LaCrosse bothers me too. However, you don't mention even one positive about this car. I think the interior and exterior looks good, for example. The direct injection and 6-speed automatics are also leading edge. Replies to this message: nippononly (Jan 09, 2009 9:32 pm)
#138 of 421 Re: It's here........ [nippononly] by andre1969 Jan 09, 2009 (6:54 am)
Replying to: nippononly (Jan 08, 2009 7:33 pm) Good lord, 4200 lb?! That's about what my '85 Silverado weighs! Replies to this message: lemko (Jan 09, 2009 7:01 am) andre1969 (Jan 09, 2009 8:10 am)
#139 of 421 Re: It's here........ [andre1969] by lemko Jan 09, 2009 (7:01 am)
Replying to: andre1969 (Jan 09, 2009 6:54 am) All cars are too heavy nowadays. I'm pretty sure my girlfriend's LaCrosse outweighs my '88 Park Ave and my Cadillac DTS Performance feels like a Tiger tank compared to my '89 Brougham. Geeze, 4200 lbs? What does a 1979 New Yorker weigh? That figure sounds only a few hundred pounds short of my 1979 Park Avenue. Replies to this message: andre1969 (Jan 09, 2009 8:10 am)
#140 of 421 Re: It's here........ [lemko] by andre1969 Jan 09, 2009 (8:10 am)
Replying to: lemko (Jan 09, 2009 7:01 am) According to specs I've seen, the base weight of a 1979 New Yorker is 3850 lb. I'm wouldn't be surprised if mine is still above the 4,000 lb mark. One thing I'm a bit unclear on is whether a/c was standard on a NYer or not that year. That alone could easily account for 100 lb or more. And I imagine the 5th Ave has enough insulation, padding, and other crap to pork it up a bit over the base NYer.
#141 of 421 "Re: It's here........ [andre1969] (lemko) by hpmctorque Jan 09, 2009 (8:30 am)
"All cars are too heavy nowadays."   That's true, but 4,000-4,200 lbs. may set a new record for a mid-price car. That begs the question, what will the next Lucerne and large body cadillac weigh?   My first reaction is that the weight figures are disappointing for a car that seems to otherwise be very competitive. However, let's see if the inside dimensions, trunk space and other attributes justify or mitigate the porky aspects before we pass final judgment on this new LaCrosse. Replies to this message: andre1969 (Jan 09, 2009 9:10 am)
#142 of 421 Re: "Re: It's here........ [andre1969] (lemko) [hpmctorque] by andre1969 Jan 09, 2009 (9:10 am)
Replying to: hpmctorque (Jan 09, 2009 8:30 am) One thing I'll say in defense of the current Malibu and Aura, which are also pretty porky for their size, is that they do seem like very sturdy cars. When you close a door, it just has an extra-solid feel to it. The area around the door openings, such as the lower sills and such, also seems extra thick.   So if the new LaCrosse is built on this same platform, it's just taking that solid feeling to new highs?   As for interior room, one area of criticism I've seen pointed out with the Aura and Malibu is the tight shoulder room, especially in the back seat. I think it's only something like 53.7", which is probably about the same as a 1980's Grand Am or Calais. Way too tight for 3-across seating, although IMO truly comfy 3-across seating went out in the 1970's with downsizing.   So if this new LaCrosse is targeted as an upscale car, rather than a mainstream family car, the tight shoulder room might not be too much of a concern.
#144 of 421 Re: "Re: It's here........ [andre1969] by hpmctorque Jan 09, 2009 (3:31 pm)
"...if the new LaCrosse is built on this same platform..."   The '10 LaCrosse is built on the second generation Epsilon platform. Is it possible that they enlarged some of the interior dimensions from the first generation?   Based on the pictures, they nailed the styling, and the interior is also nice, in my opinion. If the interior dimensioins are similar to those of the Delta platform, I could live with that more than the weight, which seems excessive.
#145 of 421 Re: It's here........ [hpmctorque] by nippononly Jan 09, 2009 (9:32 pm)
Replying to: hpmctorque (Jan 09, 2009 5:05 am) Everyone is making a fuss over the looks, but I think they are just OK, since you asked. It looks better than the Lexus ES, but that's not a high hurdle to leap!   Does the base engine get the DI too? That and the 6-speed auto are certainly two points in its favor, I agree.

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