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It depends... by andys120
Sep 22, 2008 (12:53 pm)
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The current Buick Lineup is a mixed one IMO:
 
-The Enclave is selling well but it isn't that impressive to me as I think the market is shifting to smaller, lighter CUVs (Vue, Flex, CR-V, etc.). It is really quite "trucky" when you see it up close, the interior of the less than top line version is no nicer than that of a GMC Acadia IMO and the damn thing sits so high that the old folks who like Buicks will find it hard to get into.
 
-The Lucerne has a crappy name but it's the only thing in the lineup with anything like the luxury land yacht appeal of the Buicks of yore. The styling while gimmick- free and clean is a little anonymous to my eyes.
 
-The Lacrosse OTOH has little appeal even to the oldsters who gravitate to Buicks.
You don't see many even in places like Florida and Arizona.
 
Nope, Buick has a ways to go before it's reborn.
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Re: LaCrosse and Taurus... [lemko] by nippononly
Sep 22, 2008 (1:30 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Sep 22, 2008 6:43 am)

Actually, I didn't realize how similar they really ARE until you put pictures of them up side by side.
 
I think the best thing Buick has going for it is this new Chinese styling. That Riviera they are going to produce for the Chinese market is the best-looking Buick in a long LONG time.
 
And anyone contemplating the long-term future of Buick MUST at least take into account the strong likelihood that if Buick continues to be sold in the U.S. it will be Chinese-designed and built. China is a much more popular market for Buick, and the cars will eventually be designed and sold where they sell best.
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Re: The Rebirth of Buick......... [cooterbfd] (Re: The Rebirth of Buick...) [hpmctorque] [dtownfb] [cooterbfd] by dtownfb
Sep 22, 2008 (6:38 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Sep 21, 2008 6:32 pm)

Always amazes me how folks try to show success by comparing a GM product to a Toyota or Honda product. The Camry alone outsells the entire Buick and Saturn divisions.
 
BTW, Saturn had the same number of dealerships when it sold over 286k vehicles in 1994 with one vehicle. They sell fewer than that now with 5 vehicles.
 
Here are the numbers that matter for Buick. In the calendar year 2002, Buick sold over 432,000 vehicles. Calendar year 2007, they sold roughly 186,000 units. And through August 2008 (7 months), Buick has sold about 99,000 units, down 21% compared to last year. Basically, they have dropped over 50% in 5-6 years and still sliding. Everyone acknowledges that the new car market will remain tight through 2009 due to the economic crisis. I'm not sure where these sales are coming from.
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Re: The Rebirth of Buick......... [cooterbfd] (Re: The Rebirth of Buick...) by andre1969
Sep 22, 2008 (6:42 pm)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Sep 22, 2008 6:38 pm)

Here are the numbers that matter for Buick. In the calendar year 2002, Buick sold over 432,000 vehicles. Calendar year 2007, they sold roughly 186,000 units. And through August 2008 (7 months), Buick has sold about 99,000 units, down 21% compared to last year.
 
Just to show how far Buick has fallen...in 1983, they actually outsold Ford!
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Re: The Rebirth of Buick......... [cooterbfd] (Re: The Rebirth of Buick...) [andre1969] by dtownfb
Sep 22, 2008 (7:07 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Sep 22, 2008 6:42 pm)

Just to show how far Buick has fallen...in 1983, they actually outsold Ford!
 
Wow!!! I couldn't find numbers that far back.
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Re: The Rebirth of Buick......... [cooterbfd] (Re: The Rebirth of Buick...) by andre1969
Sep 23, 2008 (5:32 am)
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Replying to: dtownfb (Sep 22, 2008 7:07 pm)

I don't know how easy those numbers would be to find online, but I have some old car books that list production. Also, I should note that this is for cars only. If you combined Ford cars and trucks back then, they still would have been a close #2 behind Chevy.
 
The 1980-83 period was a bad time in general for the domestic auto industry, but GM weathered it pretty well. Chrysler was actually back on track by 1983, paying their gov't secured loans in full that year, way ahead of schedule. But they were also a leaner company, and learning to survive on smaller volume. Ford was actually a wreck around that timeframe, too, but their troubles weren't as well publicized as Chrysler's.
 
Anyway, in 1981 I think it was, Oldsmobile slipped past Ford and into the #2 position, and then Buick slipped into #3 for 1983. By 1984 though, Ford was on the rebound, as the economy improved, sales of the aero T-bird took off, and the Tempo proved a sales hit. I think they moved ahead of Buick for 1984, and then ahead of Olds for 1985, and a few years later they were outselling Chevy.
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Re: The Rebirth of Buick......... [cooterbfd] (Re: The Rebirth of Buick...) [fintail] by sls002
Sep 23, 2008 (7:18 am)
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Replying to: fintail (Sep 21, 2008 5:13 pm)

I owned a 91 Reatta. It was not sports car, but it was not a bad car. On the other hand, the Riviera of that period was probably just as good. I would point out that the Mercedes SL's in the 70's and 80's were not sports cars either and did not compare with the 300SL gullwing. The Reatta was a cheap SL knockoff of sorts and much cheaper than the Allante. Why GM thought they could sell both the Reatta and the Allante is beyond me. Neither sold well.
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. by sls002
Sep 23, 2008 (7:27 am)
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I have owned numerous Buicks, the last was the 95 Riviera. I liked the Buicks because I got a lot of the stuff that was otherwise only available on Cadilliacs, such as fully automatic climate control. The interiors were nice, but not overstuffed like the Olds Regency or Cadillac d'Elegance. But the 95 Riviera interior was too plastic for my taste, as was the 98 Aurora. I think that the Cadillac interiors on my 2002 Seville and my 2007 SRX are closer to what Buicks should have.
 
I don't know if Buick's sales decline is related to the cheapening of the interiors or if it is a result of Buick offering very few models in the last ten years. Before Olds was dumped, Buick only offered the midsize and full size cars, basically two platforms. Now they offer three platforms.
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Re: The Rebirth of Buick......... [cooterbfd] (Re: The Rebirth of Buick...) by fintail
Sep 23, 2008 (8:21 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 23, 2008 7:18 am)

My judgment of the car is more on the owner than the car itself
 
It seems the Allante was as close to an SL as a period SL was to a gullwing.
 
GM was arguably at its most clueless in the late 80s and early 90s. And that's saying something.
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Re: . [sls002] by fintail
Sep 23, 2008 (8:24 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (Sep 23, 2008 7:27 am)

A co-worker of mine inherited a lowish miles 94 LeSabre from his grandparents. The upholstery itself is OK for what the car is, but the interior plastics and the dashboard itself are pretty laughable. I can't imagine it being any better when the car was new, either. The car has held up decently otherwise, but the insides don't make one think of a quality product.

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