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Re: effect of the media [elroy5] by lemko
Nov 28, 2008 (6:52 pm)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Nov 26, 2008 10:15 pm)

If all Americans thought this way, we would still be driving cars with 80's technology.
 
What's wrong with that? I still do! I have no problem with either my 1988 Buick Park Avenue and 1989 Cadillac Brougham! I know somebody on Edmunds who still drives cars with 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s technology.
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Re: Uncle, can you spare a dime? [maple2] by lemko
Nov 28, 2008 (7:10 pm)
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Replying to: maple2 (Nov 27, 2008 5:20 pm)

I understand the Japanese people love potato chips, but their government tariffs them like a confection - thus making U.S. potato chips prohibitively expensive.
 
GM could build a small car for the Japanese market that makes a Corolla or a Civic look like a 1948 Crosley assembled at the Zastava works, and they'd still be forbidden to sell it in Japan or it would be tariffed so high that the average Japanese might as well spend the money on an S-Class Mercedes.
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Re: Uncle, can you spare a dime? [tlong] by lemko
Nov 28, 2008 (7:15 pm)
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Replying to: tlong (Nov 27, 2008 6:16 pm)

Well, they were buddies in WWII and, by the looks of it, they never let go of their global ambitions. They couldn't beat us in a military conflict, so they're destroying us faster in an economic conflict faster than you can print a counterfeit five pound banknote.
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Re: Uncle, can you spare a dime? [cooterbfd] by lemko
Nov 28, 2008 (7:25 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 27, 2008 6:59 pm)

Heck, if I had the power, I'd toss Toyota, Honda, and others out, confiscate their U.S. plants and divide them among the Big Three. I'd also forbid the Japanese from ever selling another one of their vehicles here again. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Heck, they won't let us into their market, so they don't get into ours! Let's see how fast and how far they fall without the NA market! Will they go to China? The Chinese hate their guts and for good reasons! There are plenty of anti-Japanese rallies going on in China as I type.Will they go to Europe? I think Europe cares more and has more pride in their auto industry than the U.S. than to let this foreign horde pollute their automotive landscape with their bland transportation capsules.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [kernick] by lemko
Nov 28, 2008 (7:32 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Nov 27, 2008 7:18 pm)

If it were only so. I think people will default to one of the imports. When Oldsmobile folded, former Olds buyers didn't necessarily go to another GM division, but rather to Honda or Hyundai. I can't see the die-hard Chevy fan ever considering a Ford or a Mopar. As for me, I'd go to Chrysler, but feel they're already a dead duck. That would only leave me two unpalatable choices - Ford or the imports. Ford would be like forcing me to eat Brussels sprouts, which I hate with a passion. The imports would be like forcing me to swallow a couple of cyanide capsules with an arsenic chaser with a spritz of strychnine.
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Re: Uncle, can you spare a dime? [lemko] by gagrice
Nov 28, 2008 (7:48 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 28, 2008 7:10 pm)

GM could build a small car for the Japanese market that makes a Corolla or a Civic look like a 1948 Crosley assembled at the Zastava works
 
Why don't they build them for sale in the USA with UAW labor? The only small high mileage car GM sells is built in Korea. The tariffs are the same for Germany as they are for the USA. Japanese have seen what we have and are not interested.
 
I looked at Buicks at the GMC dealer where I bought my PU truck. There were a couple Buicks I liked if I was in the market for a nice car. I just do not like cars. I like PU trucks and SUVs. I don't see my tastes changing. I liked the 2006 and older Escalade. Sadly my wife thought they were ugly. Nice riding SUVs. I can see how they pulled Cadillac out of the pit they were in. Without the Escalade Caddy would be on the same pile as Olds, which I liked better than Buick or Pontiac. Just not enough to buy one.
 
If GM goes away there is always BMW and MB built or assembled in the USA.
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Re: Uncle, can you spare a dime? [gagrice] by lemko
Nov 28, 2008 (8:53 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 28, 2008 7:48 pm)

Well, I'm the opposite. I love cars and only see trucks as utility vehicles. If I were to buy a truck, it would probably be the plain jane work truck with rubber floor mats and vinyl seats and a cardboard headliner. It would be a 2wd vehicle powered most likely by a six.
 
For me to even consider a Mercedes or BMW, I'd have to go all the way to the S-Class or 7-Series as they're the only cars that come close to the size and plushness of my Cadillac DTS.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [lemko] by elroy5
Nov 28, 2008 (9:35 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Nov 28, 2008 7:32 pm)

The imports would be like forcing me to swallow a couple of cyanide capsules with an arsenic chaser with a spritz of strychnine.
 
Do you have these items handy? Maybe you should put them on your shopping list.
 
I also don't like trucks. I have one, for when I need it. I have been driving Accords (2 of them) since 91. One for 12 years, and the current one for 5 years and counting. If GM had anything comparable, I would have bought one. Not even a reasonable imitation. I've owned enough GM cars to know Honda cars are much better built. If you are willing to drive inferior cars, because they are so called "American", that's your unfortunate choice.
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Re: Uncle, can you spare a dime? [manegi] by gogogodzilla
Nov 28, 2008 (9:41 pm)
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Replying to: manegi (Nov 28, 2008 2:52 pm)

Sounds like you're describing Italy...
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [elroy5] by dave8697
Nov 29, 2008 (7:00 am)
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Replying to: elroy5 (Nov 28, 2008 9:35 pm)

The Malibu

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