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Automotive News & Views Do You Favor A Government Loan To The Detroit 3?
3958 messages, Last post on Oct 02, 2009 at 4:52 PM
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 27, 2008 12:27 pm) That's not the problem - GM has more models higher than 30 mpg than any other company (check their advertising). Their Cobalt XFE gets 37mpg; I believe that's higher than a Versa or a Civic. And the new Malibu and similar mid-size get the low-30's mpg. The problem is that in matching the sales-price of the competition, while having higher costs, and having to give large incentives because of years-past quality issues that linger with the consumer, GM doesn't make any money on these. At least they are not selling them in high enough volume to make money on them.
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 27, 2008 12:27 pm) So how would you propose we save as many of these D3 jobs as possible while making our auto industry truly competitive? What is the Chapter 11 alternative that preserves jobs?
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Replying to: kernick (Nov 27, 2008 1:27 pm) I'd say this is mostly advertising hype. Honda could have 8 divisions and sell the Civic under 5 names and it would have more models over 30mph, too. The problem is that in matching the sales-price of the competition, while having higher costs, and having to give large incentives because of years-past quality issues that linger with the consumer, GM doesn't make any money on these. A related problem and more important IMHO is that if GMs cars were more expensive, but CLEARLY BETTER, many people would pay the difference. But GMs cars are not as desirable, especially the small cars. People pay more for iPods because they are more desirable. GM should make their cars this way, too.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 27, 2008 11:45 am) Toyota and Honda have no business protesting anything in NA they are lucky to even be allowed to do business here. If GM and Ford were allowed to do business in Japan do you think the japs would even think about giving them a handout. Those charts treat Canada the same as USA made. I DON'T THINK SO Well in all fairness Honda and Toyota benefit build plenty of cars in Canada too,Why arent you complaining about the way they calculate their American content?
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Replying to: maple2 (Nov 27, 2008 3:05 pm) Japan has fit products to our market by altering or replacing their right-drive, small vehicles offered in Japan to build even large, left-drive trucks in the US. Tell me about the small D3 cars that are built with high quality, small engines, left drive for the Japanese market. It may be difficult for the D3, but the Japanese companies did it here. How much effort have the D3 put into making products that fit the Japanese market? Your argument is a smokescreen for no effort by the D3. And of course now they have no money to even make the effort in Japan.
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Replying to: rogeliov (Nov 26, 2008 10:09 pm) You're right - We should have been afraid of the Japanese a long time ago (it's too late now), the Japanese should be very afraid of Korea, and Korea should be concerned about the Chinese. We're done for here in the US for manufacturing...... |
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Replying to: tlong (Nov 27, 2008 3:54 pm) Why dont you explain to me the purpose of designing a car for the jap market if you wont be allowed to sell it there in the first place?
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Replying to: tlong (Nov 27, 2008 1:31 pm) Case in point today. New Malibu has a base MSRP of about $20,500. Base Impala, about $2500 more. Yet, look at ads for both cars. i see ads every day around here for the Malibu LS for about $19,000. The Impala is generally advertised for a few hundred to a thousand more. Seeing as how the Impala is "old school" GM and the Malibu is "new school", getting better materials and such, it's no wonder that the smaller, "cheaper" Malibu commands almost as much as the bigger "more expensive" Impala. Remember, the Big 3 haven't begun to see the real savings from their 2007 contracts (VEBA). Now, that's not to say that more savings can't be negotiated right now, that would say loosen work restrictions, save healthcare monies, shrink the jobs bank, etc.
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Replying to: tlong (Nov 27, 2008 3:54 pm) What about the Holden Barina and Viva, or the Vauxhall Agila and Astra??? All GM owned, RHD (not left) and available now.
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