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Do You Favor A Government Loan To The Detroit 3?

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Re: this guy [driver100] by chikoo
Nov 26, 2008 (7:17 pm)
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Replying to: driver100 (Nov 25, 2008 7:33 am)

>If you take a minute to watch this amazing state of the art Ford plant in Brazil you will see what the Big 3 are capable of. Listen to the last few words too - Ford would love to build this plant in Detroit but the UAW won't allow it.
 
The amazing fact is that GM and Ford, both are doing pretty well outside the US. Wonder why??
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Re: Reduced compensation as condition of bailout [xrunner2] by Vinnmar
Nov 26, 2008 (7:37 pm)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Nov 26, 2008 9:53 am)

What needs to change is the compansation in the E band Groups. They are so well over paid that it appalling. (E band is from Grade 12 on up). The E band pensions also need to change ASAP. FORD NEEDS TO STOP PAYING PENSIONS THAT ARE EQUAL TO THE BASS PAY OF EVERY PERSON FROM THE PLANT MANAGERS ON UP. If your in the E Group and your pay is $500,000.00 a year, your pension will be $500,000.00 a year as long as you have held that job for 18 mo. THIS IS THE SAME ALL THE WAY UP TO THE TOP AT FORD. They need to have the same pensions that the workers have on more no less. When times are good they (the e band) get rich and the rest may get a 3% raise over 3 years. When times are bad they still get rich and push the rest out and make us give up our jobs, and cut the pay rates. The public thinks that the hourly are over paid when its the E Band thats steeal the company blind. Its not j ust the bonuses its every thing. We all need to cut but they can fly around and blow money all the time.
 
Why is it that the top never gives up a thing when we are in trouble.
 
They always pull from the first line supervision, from middle managment and the UAW but never from the E band group.
 
 Its time that they start giving up as much as the rest of us have done.
 
They are not the FORD family. They work for Ford Mo Co the same as all the workers do.
 
How is it that they can push some one out of a job and F up his credit and none of them have to pay for what they have done to a company that was one of the best just seven years ago? The start of this started back then.
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Re: this guy [chikoo] by Vinnmar
Nov 26, 2008 (7:56 pm)
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Replying to: chikoo (Nov 26, 2008 7:17 pm)

Yes, i have seen it with my eyes and they want to keep this up so that they (CEO"S) can keep making what they make. They are always cuting the pay to the workers but not to them.
 
When the old man Ford was around he made sure that no CEO was paid as much as they are paid today. He understood that you could not pull all the margins out and that you had to leave some room for others to make some money. When this was done every one made some money and every one was happy. To day the people at the top dont think this way and thats why we are in trouble to day. Corp Greed is the way of today. What ever they make as a bass pay is what the pension will be. Thats not right they need to have the same as every one that works for them. Wake up and see whats truly going on and not what you think is the truth. I am not a UAW man but i see and have seen this for years and its BS and needs to stop.
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Re: effect of the media [whatugiv] by Vinnmar
Nov 26, 2008 (8:00 pm)
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How soon we all forget what the American auto industry did for us.
  
  In the time of WW II it was the auto industry that stopped making cars and started making what the USA needed to win the war.
 
Yes and this was done with no strings attached.
Buy the way don’t the us autoworkers use the American banks?
Why no string for the banks? What did the banks do to help win the war?
 
 If we loose the auto industry how do we change over to do the same today?
 
  Do we buy what we need from Japan?? Will they make this stuff for us? Will they sell to us? Or will they watch us fall?
  
Or have they started this war on the American auto industry as a pay back on the US. A pay back for what was done to them in WW II.
 
  So keep buying *from Japan** and help them buy out the American flag.
  
You will end up standing up to the **Japan Flag.** instead of the USA.
 
We came to this country because it was the land of opportunity but today’s generation has no loyalty to America.
 
This is the start of the end if things don’t change soon.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [cooterbfd] by gagrice
Nov 26, 2008 (8:23 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Nov 26, 2008 5:35 pm)

Wages to cost of living is always a consideration when looking for a place to saettle and work. Some places are better than others. You come to San Diego and look for a decent house expect to pay about $400k for the house you just described at todays prices. A $20 per hour job has no problem getting filled. Most do not work for minimum wage. I think Wally World starts at about $8.75. McDonald's about the same. An autoworker is only slightly above a WalMart job. So $15 per hours should be plenty. Now if you are a machinist in a manufacturing plant that may be different.
 
You are expecting the car maker in Michigan to build a car for more than the car maker in Alabama. They both have to sell their products in the same markets. The auto maker in Michigan cannot compete against the automaker in Alabama. The fact it cost more to live in Michigan is irrelevant to the marketplace. Not the persons problem buying a new car.
 
You want the automaker in Alabama to pay his workers more so the competition in Michigan has a chance to survive. How stupid would that be? The guy buying the car in Florida is only interested in how much car he gets for the money. If GM can no longer be competitive they need to pack it up and go to automaker Nirvana with Packard and Studebaker.
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Re: effect of the media [whatugiv] by Vinnmar
Nov 26, 2008 (8:45 pm)
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No, Thank you for what you and all of yours have done for me and mine.
 
I came to this great Country in 1958 and i love it. Yes i have gone home now and then to see the family but this is truly the best country in the world. It was you that made it posible for me to help this country be what it is today. We need to remember the past and that will help go where we need to be.
 
GOD LOVE US ALL AND HELP US SEE WHAT WE NEED TO SEE.
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Re: Is Nissan Next? [chikoo] by rogeliov
Nov 26, 2008 (10:05 pm)
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Replying to: chikoo (Nov 26, 2008 7:15 pm)

I think it's more of a symbolic gesture of support for the big 3.
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Re: effect of the media [Vinnmar] by rogeliov
Nov 26, 2008 (10:09 pm)
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Replying to: Vinnmar (Nov 26, 2008 8:00 pm)

it's not Japan or Korea we should be worried about. The Chinese are poised to strike anytime.

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