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Automotive News & Views Do You Favor A Government Loan To The Detroit 3?
3958 messages, Last post on Oct 02, 2009 at 4:52 PM
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Sorry, these guys did it to themselves. If we individual taxpayers were in need of a bailout because we couldn't pay our bills, you think the feds would bail each of US out? Don't think so . . .  Originally I was for a bailout because I thought it would save jobs, but let's face facts, the Detroit 3 were going to cut a good portion of those jobs anyways! Let them get themselves out of trouble . . . if they can.
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 24, 2008 2:31 pm) We can only HOPE they take a cut. Or maybe they should just commit hari-kari! BTW, I wonder if the B3 CEOs watched the SNL skit (surely they did). That had to sting . . . or perhaps not.
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Replying to: kernick (Nov 24, 2008 10:34 am) 2 yr old for $10k is BS. With 100k miles on it....maybe. Even the Accord loses over $4k in depreciation in year 1. I could have had an Impala for a price that would have virtually made depreciation a non-factor. Nobody pays MSRP, that's just the number that would give GM a viable business plan
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Replying to: dave8697 (Nov 24, 2008 5:03 pm) I just did the quick appraise on a two year old Impala LT with 30,000 miles. I included the normal kind of stuff. It came back at a little over $9900 trade-in. Rocky just posted his brother buying a $23k Impala for $17,700. That does not bode well for trade-in two years from now. My own sad GMC story: Bought a 2005 GMC hybrid PU in June of 2005 when the family discounts were offered. This truck had lots of nice stuff. MSRP was $36k. I got it after a real haggle for $26k plus TTL. One and a half years later I decided I wanted an SUV and drove the 2007 Denali Yukon. I cannot remember the exact figures. It was over $40k. My PU was perfect and I had added an aluminum roll-top over he bed for $1300. This was the same dealer I bought the truck from. It had 13k highway miles and he offered me $16k in trade. I stood up and told him that was an insult to my intelligence and walked out. I listed it on Craigslist and a fellow from LA came down and gave me $23k cash for the truck. That kind of loss on a PU truck is horrible, and the worst I have ever had. The truck was not as solid as my 1998 Suburban. I did like the Stereo and climate control. That will probably be my last GM vehicle. |
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 24, 2008 5:28 pm)
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Replying to: dieselone (Nov 24, 2008 5:45 pm) |
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A loan? OK... as long as there are VERY strict terms and conditions regarding what they plan to do with the money and how soon we get it paid back. One of the biggest reasons we're where we are right now was the idiotic decision to encourage loans to people who had no way of ever paying back the loans. Show me that the money is actually going to do some good and isn't going down an eternally-hungry black hole.
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 24, 2008 5:28 pm) I'm confused by your post. You bought it for $26K+ and sold it for $23. That's a good retention of value for 1.5 years and 13,000 miles.
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no, I am actually just someone who was hit like a ton of bricks around Dec.'07-Jan.'08 that we need to wean ourselves off of dependence on foreign oil. If we can put a man on the moon(did we really do that? Maybe Jim Carrey was on to something in 'Dumb and Dumber" when he excitedly leaves the bar yelling "We landed on the moon!" It was new to him on that day...but, was that moon landing really all a farce pulled over all our eyes?) I see scads of potential in this little 2010 Pininfarina-Bollore B0 for me in sunny Arizona. It has solar panels up above on the roof and in the grille, it has regenerative braking, etc. All the "green" automotive bells and whistles one should have in their all-electric car. But what really grabs at my brain is all of the hard work and no doubt mistakes corrected by France's huge Bollore Group. Their method of building this lithium polymer battery encased in steel is not only solving the safety problem but it's just good carbuilding, by that I mean how the batteries are enclosed and solidly tucked away. But they've solved the problem nobody else has with their patented batteries...longevity. The sort of "mule" LeBlue cars have gone 125,000 miles with no problems and with no maintenance, either! This is technology that I can just see Mike Myers playing Dr.Evil and having that finger stuck in his teeth, heaving a bone-rattling "1 Million dollars" to the UN. Only Pininfarina-Bollore are going to use this smart idea for the betterment of the environment and the betterment of people like myself, who are tired of this rollercoaster of oil-baronish snobbery and smuckish-ness and up and down and up and down pricing for sweet crude barrels of oil. Been there and done that for years. Let's welcome a change of thinking here, gentlemen.  85 mph tops, it's electronically limited to go no faster. A range of 153 miles but equipped with those solar panels to help out people like me who live in the hot desert! Whoo-hooo! Re-charge takes only 5 hours on a standard household 120-volt socket. I bet my wife and I could drive the 80 miles to Tucson and with the regenerative braking revitalizing it's electrical system and with the charge-up from the solar panels we could get back home, even though it goes over it's built-in standard range of 153 miles. That is my own little personal challenge to do. Sort of my personal pact to buy one of these. Sometime in 2009 a hundred or so of these cars will be imported for the L.A. market(OK, so it's 550 miles to my northwest!)but if I miss one of those I'll try for late 2010 or 2011 sometime. The time has come to jump ship, men! Mutiny! 
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 24, 2008 5:28 pm) Then I priced a 2007, 30000 mi, 3.5 V6 comparable Impala in our zip code and it comes out $14,600 for Certified so that it has the warranty to match the new 2009. Without the warranty is $13,900. |
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