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Do You Favor A Government Loan To The Detroit 3?

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Re: Volt and Fusion hybrids... [iluvmysephia1] by steve_ HOST
Nov 24, 2008 (2:27 pm)
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (Nov 24, 2008 10:15 am)

Ok, fess up - you have some money invested in this Pininfarina-Bollore project, right?
 
DC is a hoot; better to take the Metro than try to drive though.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [gagrice] by circlew
Nov 24, 2008 (2:31 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 24, 2008 2:09 pm)

I was there 4 years ago to attend the belated funeral of my Uncle, who's remains were identified from 49 years ago (where he served in the USAF) in the Philippines in dense jungle. It took 2 years for the Gov't to set up the return of him and the other members of his plane and another discovered in the same area.
 
Arlington is quite a humbling experience especially in a full burial ceremony. I will never forget it and the sacrifice that is beckoning to you even today. I salute all of these souls and their families.
 
I really appreciated the Lincoln Memorial and the WWII Memorial.
 
Hopefully, the Big 3 CEO's will take a swing past Arlington National to give them a clearer baseline from which to lead the necessary change and forget their huge compensation and EGO.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [circlew] by imidazol97
Nov 24, 2008 (3:14 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 24, 2008 2:31 pm)

We saw funerals in progress when we were there. Also stop at Kennedy's gravesite while you're in Arlington.
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Re: big 3 reputation [dieselone] by dave8697
Nov 24, 2008 (3:15 pm)
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Replying to: dieselone (Nov 24, 2008 8:48 am)

I live 100 miles to the SE and find the same perspective applies here.
The short list of my dislikes of Bush has grown over the bailouts. Another $350 Billion for citigroup? but nothing for GM? I think Japan owns a good chunk of Citi.
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No Bailout for the Detroit 3 by xnewman1
Nov 24, 2008 (3:21 pm)
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Sorry, these guys did it to themselves. If we individual taxpayers were in need of a bailout because we couldn't pay our bills, you think the feds would bail each of US out? Don't think so . . . Originally I was for a bailout because I thought it would save jobs, but let's face facts, the Detroit 3 were going to cut a good portion of those jobs anyways! Let them get themselves out of trouble . . . if they can.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [circlew] by iwant12
Nov 24, 2008 (3:26 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Nov 24, 2008 2:31 pm)

Hopefully, the Big 3 CEO's will take a swing past Arlington National to give them a clearer baseline from which to lead the necessary change and forget their huge compensation and EGO.
 
We can only HOPE they take a cut. Or maybe they should just commit hari-kari!
 
BTW, I wonder if the B3 CEOs watched the SNL skit (surely they did). That had to sting . . . or perhaps not.
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Re: Sales not going UP anytime soon [kernick] by dave8697
Nov 24, 2008 (5:03 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Nov 24, 2008 10:34 am)

But on the other end the high MSRP can be a turnoff for the reasons you mentioned, or the number just looks daunting. Who wants to buy an Impala with a $23K+ options sticker, when a 2 year old one is listed for $10K.
 
2 yr old for $10k is BS. With 100k miles on it....maybe.
Even the Accord loses over $4k in depreciation in year 1.
I could have had an Impala for a price that would have virtually made depreciation a non-factor.
Nobody pays MSRP, that's just the number that would give GM a viable business plan
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Re: Sales not going UP anytime soon [dave8697] by gagrice
Nov 24, 2008 (5:28 pm)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Nov 24, 2008 5:03 pm)

2 yr old for $10k is BS. With 100k miles on it....maybe
 
I just did the quick appraise on a two year old Impala LT with 30,000 miles. I included the normal kind of stuff. It came back at a little over $9900 trade-in. Rocky just posted his brother buying a $23k Impala for $17,700. That does not bode well for trade-in two years from now.
 
My own sad GMC story:
Bought a 2005 GMC hybrid PU in June of 2005 when the family discounts were offered. This truck had lots of nice stuff. MSRP was $36k. I got it after a real haggle for $26k plus TTL. One and a half years later I decided I wanted an SUV and drove the 2007 Denali Yukon. I cannot remember the exact figures. It was over $40k. My PU was perfect and I had added an aluminum roll-top over he bed for $1300. This was the same dealer I bought the truck from. It had 13k highway miles and he offered me $16k in trade. I stood up and told him that was an insult to my intelligence and walked out. I listed it on Craigslist and a fellow from LA came down and gave me $23k cash for the truck. That kind of loss on a PU truck is horrible, and the worst I have ever had. The truck was not as solid as my 1998 Suburban. I did like the Stereo and climate control. That will probably be my last GM vehicle.
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Re: Sales not going UP anytime soon [gagrice] by dieselone
Nov 24, 2008 (5:45 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Nov 24, 2008 5:28 pm)

My BIL just bought an '05 Dodge Ram 2500 SLT quad cab with Cummins diesel with 50k miles on it and in immaculate condition for $14k at a Dodge dealership.
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Re: Sales not going UP anytime soon [dieselone] by gagrice
Nov 24, 2008 (5:55 pm)
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Replying to: dieselone (Nov 24, 2008 5:45 pm)

With those kind of buys it would be tough to justify a new vehicle of any kind. How long before the lots would empty of new and used cars if the Big 3 closed their doors tomorrow? I think a year maybe.

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