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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [steve_] by tired_old_dave
Nov 22, 2008 (8:13 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 22, 2008 2:03 pm)

Thanks for the specific info, the general info was already understood.
 
Maybe your neighbor has the anvil, and your other neighbors...
 
Better Half and I were offered to live in a cooler red state decades ago because of our organic food interests...
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Ed Wallace & Star-Telegram by tired_old_dave
Nov 22, 2008 (8:23 pm)
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Just got the early edition of the Fort Worth Star-Telegram and Ed's Column is titled "The Bailout". Not available yet on the paper's website (maybe tomorrow) so the following link is for the last column, which was also linked in a Hummer post.
 
"It's Hammer Time"
http://www.star-telegram.com/ed_wallace/story/1040507.html
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Re: Ed Wallace & Star-Telegram [tired_old_dave] by gagrice
Nov 22, 2008 (8:39 pm)
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Replying to: tired_old_dave (Nov 22, 2008 8:23 pm)

Lies, lies and more lies. That is what the media feeds US on a daily basis.
 
Hammer
This habit of misinforming us is hardly new. Early this year, all of the so-called experts were being quoted daily saying that the primary cause justifying crude’s ever-higher prices was oil supply problems. But that just didn’t align with facts that anyone could easily find: Oil was plentiful – while demand was falling worldwide.
 
I don't agree with all he says. He does point out some interesting facts that are left out of mainstream reporting.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [tired_old_dave] by graphicguy
Nov 23, 2008 (7:30 am)
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Replying to: tired_old_dave (Nov 22, 2008 11:39 am)

dave.....Fisher Body did indeed start out life as a "horse drawn buggy" manufacturer. That turned into building coaches for the (then) burgeoning auto industry. They were known for their "quality" coach building. GM bought them, and they became the exclusive builder of "Body by Fisher" for all their lines.
 
My very first job out of college (going back 20+ years) was doing computer programming for the local Fisher Body plant. Pretty rudimentary stuff compared to the sophistication of robotic car building today.
 
Anyway, we stamped and formed body panels and "T-tops" for the then Monte Carlo, Grand Prix, Camaro/Firebird, and made sunroofs for Cadillacs...as well as sundry little connectors and pieces to bolt the panels to the frames. All those panels were then shipped about 20 minutes away to an assembly plant, which turned out finished Camaros and Firebirds (and to other assembly plants for Montes/Grand Prix and Cadillacs).
 
Those plants are long gone. The idea of quality "Body by Fisher" lost its luster. They're little more than a memory, now.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [graphicguy] by tired_old_dave
Nov 23, 2008 (9:04 am)
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Replying to: graphicguy (Nov 23, 2008 7:30 am)

Thank you very much for your post. My used gm cars of the 60's duece and a quarter and a sedan de ville, If I remember correctly, had a chrome? strip above the rocker panel with Body by Fisher or Fisher Body or something like that on them and saw a short reference about their beginnings and now your final sentence ends another memory for us older guys.
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"The Bailout" by tired_old_dave
Nov 23, 2008 (9:06 am)
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Ed has the link on his website for today's Star-Telegram column. Just click on the logo on the right side bar.
 
http://www.insideautomotive.com/
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [tired_old_dave] by steve_ HOST
Nov 23, 2008 (9:41 am)
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Replying to: tired_old_dave (Nov 23, 2008 9:04 am)

I remember the Body by Fisher door sill plates on my Dad's '53 Buick.
 
"President-elect Barack Obama's advisers said Sunday automakers must convince Congress that they have a plan to return to profitability before they can get $25 billion in emergency bridge loans -- and that they should fly commercial."
 
Detroit News
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [steve_] by tired_old_dave
Nov 23, 2008 (10:17 am)
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Replying to: steve_ (Nov 23, 2008 9:41 am)

Thanks for the correct description "door sill plates". '53 Buick, didn't have one of those, but that reminds me of the 53? Skylark convertible - saw one never got to ride in it.
 
Even though a blue person in a not so red state anymore, would love to have been a fly on the wall in that white house meeting. And red blue doesn't really matter. Leger demaine? the path has been shown. First George I and then the British PM, new world order, and the PM wanted the middle east and china to pay for our part. Will we get one amero for one or three or five or more greenbacks. An earlier post used the word "serf" pretty much nailed it. I still believe it is all about submission. Keep a jet plane but don't fly on a little plane-important people have had accidents.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [tired_old_dave] by fezo
Nov 23, 2008 (10:29 am)
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Replying to: tired_old_dave (Nov 23, 2008 10:17 am)

Not to keep us off topic but when did GM stop the Body by Fisher sill plates? I remember them on my dad's 72 Impala.
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Re: Some might say this is a moral issue? [fezo] by steve_ HOST
Nov 23, 2008 (12:41 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (Nov 23, 2008 10:29 am)

The Body by Fisher sill plates were a bit of an eye-opener for me. I thought Buicks were sort of special when I was a kid, just under Caddys. Then I found out that similar sill plates were on Chevys.
 
Hmmm, the parts are the same, it's just the sheet metal and badging that are different? So why should someone pay more for a Buick than a Chevy?

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