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#3971 of 4024 Re: dusting this one off [lemko]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Nov 03, 2011 (7:02 am)
You should come over and hit the auto show in January. Some parts of town are bombed out, but the downtown core and the suburbs are really nice.
Just hang out in the Renaissance Center when you come - January and all.
#3972 of 4024 Re: dusting this one off [steve_]
Nov 06, 2011 (4:18 pm)
What I wonder is, If the auto industry bailout was a bust, would they have blamed Bush? I see they gave Obama credit for the Bush initiative to give the automakers money from TARP to give them a kick start.
Short memories in the media. Just sayin'
Oh, and Bloomberg is way off on CA real estate making a rebound. But that is another story.
#3973 of 4024 Re: dusting this one off [gagrice]
by Stever@Edmunds HOST
Nov 06, 2011 (5:12 pm)
Sure, always blame the outs. It's the American way. As I remember, McCain didn't support the bailouts and he even pulled out of Michigan since he knew it was futile to spend campaign money on trying to get swing votes there. Obama ran on bailing out the auto industry so I think it's fair that he's taking credit for its success. Bush was in it for 25 billion, Obama bumped it to 80.
Obama's auto czar says "If in the end taxpayers spend $10 billion on the auto rescues, it seems a small price to pay for averting a major economic calamity." Detroit News
#3975 of 4024 Just some things to think about.
Nov 06, 2011 (7:00 pm)
Remember it was two terms of Bush that put us in this down turn. Did you all forget that his dad was just as Bad as he was? I am not crazy about what Obama has done he needs to grow some you know whats. If i could i would vote Mr.W. W Buffet to office. We need a good Businesses man in office and he needs the power to fire and clean house in the name of the American People.
No president can get any thing done with the current congress.. We need to clean house and Gage them on performance.. If they don't step up and do the job then can them and the next group and clean house again. How about you in your job if you didn't perform on the job how. long till the boss deals with you.? Stop thinking that the Republicans or the Demarcates have your best interest at hart. You are not the special intrest group that they work for. The sooner you come to terms with that the sooner we can all stop and work together and fixing the problems at hand.
I am so Proud to be an American but still mad as you know what about what they did to the USA. They didn't just drop the WTC and kill alot of people and distorted families Christian and Muslim.. ,They destroyed our economy and put a lot of us out of work. This country is to nice to terrorists they don't deserve the same rights that we have . They gave up rights when they infringed on your rights. Execute them as soon as you find them. Stop being so politically correct. Stop spending my money to feed and house them.
We did it right when we found Bin-laden. Treat the rest of them the same way and stop spending my money to incarcerate them.
I came to the USA when i was five , Mom and Dad made me speak English in the house so that they could learn from me.. Dad would say "You are in America be proud that they gave you the chance to earn the right to live in the USA and become a citizen as soon as you can". He would also say "Do'nt forget your upbringing and where you came from but look to the further and LOVE AMERICA FOR THE CHANCE SHE IS GIVING YOU". He would then tell others who put America down " IF YOU DO'NT LIKE HER THEN GET THE HECK OUT AND DO'NT COME BACK.
I Say stop being Politically correct. And start protecting my rights. Put the word GOD back in and if some one decides not to use the word thatís fine but its my right to have it in . Stop trying to change what has worked for so long for so many for so few. Its against my rights to take it away but its not against your right not to say it.
#3976 of 4024 Re: Just some things to think about. [Vinnmar]
Nov 06, 2011 (7:35 pm)
I think you're on to something, because I think one of our problems is we have stopped acting like Americans and become politically correct losers. No self accountability or behavior standards any more. Now every politician's excuse are the schools. Can't fix schools by just blaming the teachers and teaching to test scores. No doubt school perormance needs to improve, but we don't have to become Asians, we have to go back to being what Americans used to be. America was great because of innovative thought and creativity and there is no real standardized test for that. Disruptive kids need to be expelled if their parents don't get them under control and it may not be politically correct, but we also need to go back to tracking - not all kids are equally smart and by mixing them all in the same classes we're holding back our brightest. Way too many lawyers in America and a screwed up (overfocus on "rights", blame and sue every time something goes wrong and protect the criminal at all cost approach) legal system is ruining business, medicine, schools and most other facets of life here. And whether one believes we should soak the rich or we need to cut their taxes even more - the rich can't fix all these troubles by themselves. Americans have to start taking responsibility for their lives and their country which used to be the way we were when we were a very successful country.
#3977 of 4024 Re: Just some things to think about. [berri]
Nov 07, 2011 (6:42 am)
Not all kids are college material, but it doesn't mean those kids are "dumb." We need serious vocational and apprenticeship training for those kids who won't be going to college. The other problem is the kids who go to college and get a degree, but no marketable skills. I don't care if you can quote me all of Shakespeare's sonnets. How does that fix my toilet?
#3978 of 4024 Re: Just some things to think about. [lemko]
Nov 07, 2011 (10:50 am)
Totally agree Lemko. But you know what, that's the first place the high schools seem to cut - can't touch the liberal arts, and definitely not the football program!
#3979 of 4024 Re: Just some things to think about. [berri]
Nov 07, 2011 (11:08 am)
That's not always the case. It's more of an attitude that all kids should go to college. Vocational school often is seen as a bad thing.
The regional technical high school my town belongs to has many high tech careers in addition to their traditional trade programs. The world needs plenty of people willing to work with their hands but many parents won't allow their children to learn a trade because it's beneath them.
#3980 of 4024 Re: Just some things to think about. [robr2]
Nov 07, 2011 (12:14 pm)
If I had kids, I'd sooner have then learn useful SKILLS like plumbing, being an electrician, or mechanic than a bunch of worthless liberal arts garbage they could learn on their own if they have an appreciation for literature and the humanities. There is absolutely no shame in a blue-collar trade. I'm more impressed with the guy on can fabricate a custom motorcycle fuel tank from sheet metal than some egghead who can memorize and recite all of the poetry of Robert Frost.
"Oh working with my hands is beneath somebody with a brilliant mind such as myself!" "Wow, I guess you can summarize Proust for me while you serve me a latte, Mr. Liberal Arts barista!"
If my kids are going to college, they're going to learn the hard sciences like medicine, computer science, or mechanical engineering. Don't waste your money or time on nonsense like Art History, Women's Studies, Modern Dance, or Ancient Babylonian Theatre.