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Re: Penske's Buyout of Saturn Unravels [british_rover] by hpmctorque
Oct 01, 2009 (7:56 pm)
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Replying to: british_rover (Oct 01, 2009 1:18 pm)

Perhaps, but it would have been better financially for GM, and for the dealers and employees who are associated with Saturn, for the brand to have been sold than forced to shut it down.
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Re: Penske's Buyout of Saturn Unravels [hpmctorque] by kernick
Oct 02, 2009 (8:50 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Oct 01, 2009 7:56 pm)

I think you're missing that's what just collapsed. GM ws trying to sell Saturn to Penske. Penske doesn't want it, given the conditions.
 
Maybe you think GM could put Saturn on Ebay? What would you bid?
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Re: Penske's Buyout of Saturn Unravels [hpmctorque] by dieselone
Oct 02, 2009 (10:08 am)
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Replying to: hpmctorque (Oct 01, 2009 7:56 pm)

GM truly killed Saturn when they began selling badge engineered products under the Saturn name. It was no longer "a different kind of car company", just another brand selling average to below average GM vehicles and often charging a premium.
 
IMO, now that GM has restructured and trimmed it's vehicle portfolio, selling Saturn could mean an additional competitor down the road. Something GM definitely doesn't need in the small car market. There are enough players and GM is struggling mightily in that area.
 
I feel for those employed by Saturn, but GM will be better with Saturn gone. Saturn has done nothing but cost GM money and I don't think they ever once earned a return on their investment. While Saturn may have a relatively strong brand, GM does not have the resources to make Saturn a success.
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Re: Penske's Buyout of Saturn Unravels [dieselone] by michaell
Oct 02, 2009 (11:37 am)
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Replying to: dieselone (Oct 02, 2009 10:08 am)

IMO, now that GM has restructured and trimmed it's vehicle portfolio, selling Saturn could mean an additional competitor down the road.
 
Close. It is my understanding that the deal with GM and Penske fell through because Penske couldn't find a supplier to stock the showrooms after the initial 18 month window with GM closed.
 
The particulars involved the Nissan-Renault alliance, with cars supplied by Renault's South Korean partner Ssanyong. Apparently, the BOD of Nissan-Renault rejected the deal because they didn't want the competition against Nissan in NA.
 
Since Penske had no source of product after 2011, he pulled the plug - and 350 Saturn dealers and 13,000 employees are now, possibly, out of work.
 
The deal would have been good for GM, since they would have collected some undisclosed amount of money for the dealer network. Now, "Old GM" has to write off Saturn from its books.
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Re: Penske's Buyout of Saturn Unravels [michaell] by dieselone
Oct 02, 2009 (1:38 pm)
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Replying to: michaell (Oct 02, 2009 11:37 am)

Close. It is my understanding that the deal with GM and Penske fell through because Penske couldn't find a supplier to stock the showrooms after the initial 18 month window with GM closed.
 
I had read that too. But I was just looking at GM's side of the equation. Sure, GM would like to sell Saturn and needs the cash, but down the road, I think Saturn being gone and not a competitor will probably be good for GM.
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Re: Penske's Buyout of Saturn Unravels [kernick] by hpmctorque
Oct 02, 2009 (4:52 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Oct 02, 2009 8:50 am)

Sorry if the wording of my message (#3953) was misleading, because I knew the Penske-GM deal had collapsed when I wrote it.

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