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Do You Favor A Government Loan To The Detroit 3?

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Re: billions and billions [lemko] by gagrice
Aug 10, 2009 (6:59 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Aug 10, 2009 6:29 am)

I think you need to look into a Ford Flex. Armor plating would be useful where you live. It is long and sleek. What more could a guy want in a car. Then you can always get a pre 1984 car of your choice. Those are not being crushed by the goons in DC. Face it, GM is history. Unless you want a Chinese Buick or Hummer. They have all the good looking Buicks in China anyway. Nothing here looks as good as this Buick:
 
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Re: billions and billions [gagrice] by lemko
Aug 10, 2009 (7:20 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 10, 2009 6:59 am)

Yeah, but it's still a Ford! Yuck! A world with nothing but Ford and Asian imports is like going to Baskin Robbins and all they have is unflavored ice milk! What good is money if there's nothing worthwhile to spend it on?
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Re: billions and billions [lemko] by bpizzuti
Aug 10, 2009 (7:35 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Aug 10, 2009 7:20 am)

Buy a couch and some 13 inch rims and tires. It'll feel just like a Buick.
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Re: billions and billions [gagrice] by imidazol97
Aug 10, 2009 (8:15 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 10, 2009 6:59 am)

I thought that was a Genesis at first glance.
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Re: billions and billions [imidazol97] by gagrice
Aug 10, 2009 (8:20 am)
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Aug 10, 2009 8:15 am)

I believe it comes from Holden in Australia for the Chinese market. Yes it does look like Hyundai copied the styling some what.
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Re: billions and billions [lemko] by nippononly
Aug 10, 2009 (7:38 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Aug 10, 2009 6:29 am)

Seriously, you should take a look at Ford and Hyundai, two companies that have their stuff together and make some vehicles that would likely be just to your tastes. Starting with the Genesis. Seriously.
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Taxpayers face heavy losses on auto bailout by gagrice
Sep 09, 2009 (7:23 am)
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Taxpayers face losses on a significant portion of the $81 billion in government aid provided to the auto industry, an oversight panel said in a report to be released Wednesday.
 
The Congressional Oversight Panel did not provide an estimate of the projected loss in its latest monthly report on the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program. But it said most of the $23 billion initially provided to General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC late last year is unlikely to be repaid.
 
"I think they drove a very hard bargain," said Elizabeth Warren, the panel's chairwoman and a law professor at Harvard University, referring to the Obama administration's Treasury Department. "But it may not be enough."
 
The prospect of recovering the government's assistance to GM and Chrysler is heavily dependent on shares of the two companies rising to unprecedented levels, the report said. The government owns 10 percent of Chrysler and 61 percent of GM. The two companies are currently private but are expected to issue stock, in GM's case by next year.
 
The shares "will have to appreciate sharply" for taxpayers to get their money back, the report said.
 
For example, GM's market value would have to reach $67.6 billion, the report said, a "highly optimistic" estimate and more than the $57.2 billion GM was worth at the height of its share value in April 2008. And in the case of Chrysler, about $5.4 billion of the $14.3 billion provided to the company is "highly unlikely" to ever be repaid, the panel said.

 
Flushed down the toilet
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Re: Taxpayers face heavy losses on auto bailout [gagrice] by pf_flyer HOST
Sep 09, 2009 (10:52 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Sep 09, 2009 7:23 am)

No, Really??
 
And they wonder why I expect nothing but equally fuzzy math when a certain someone addresses a joint session of Congress tonight.
 
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Re: Taxpayers face heavy losses on auto bailout [pf_flyer] by gagrice
Sep 09, 2009 (12:02 pm)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Sep 09, 2009 10:52 am)

Who in their right mind would buy stock in GM or C with that baggage attached? You would be married to the UAW with VEBA owning a controlling interest. No Thanks, I am happy with my Ford bought at $1.76 per share. It has kept my 401K doing well.
 
Fuzzy math should be taught in the schools. That is all we are getting from the Federal Government.
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Re: billions and billions [nippononly] by cooterbfd
Sep 09, 2009 (12:45 pm)
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Replying to: nippononly (Aug 10, 2009 7:38 pm)

Why would he waste his time on the Genesis, when he can get a new Lacrosse?

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