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Do You Favor A Government Loan To The Detroit 3?

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Re: billions and billions [nippononly] by anythngbutgm
Aug 10, 2009 (4:14 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Aug 09, 2009 8:33 pm)

potd. Seriosuly Nippon, Amen. My sentiments exactly.
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Re: congress and obama socialize the usa...communism next [bpizzuti] by lemko
Aug 10, 2009 (6:24 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Aug 08, 2009 8:37 am)

GM and Chrysler get my first preference regardless of the political situation because I've always liked them. I've only had one Chrysler product and it was one of the best cars I've ever owned. I'd buy a Chrysler 300-C SRT8 tomorrow if I needed a new car.
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Re: billions and billions [nippononly] by lemko
Aug 10, 2009 (6:29 am)
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Replying to: nippononly (Aug 09, 2009 8:33 pm)

Really? If GM and Chrysler go under, I really have nothing left to look forward to. All my money is just so much worthless toilet paper to enable me to survive to purchase commodities in an increasingly joyless world. Armageddon couldn't come soon enough. I will mourn the loss of GM and Chrysler more than my own impending death.
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Re: billions and billions [lemko] by gagrice
Aug 10, 2009 (6:59 am)
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I think you need to look into a Ford Flex. Armor plating would be useful where you live. It is long and sleek. What more could a guy want in a car. Then you can always get a pre 1984 car of your choice. Those are not being crushed by the goons in DC. Face it, GM is history. Unless you want a Chinese Buick or Hummer. They have all the good looking Buicks in China anyway. Nothing here looks as good as this Buick:
 
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Re: billions and billions [gagrice] by lemko
Aug 10, 2009 (7:20 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 10, 2009 6:59 am)

Yeah, but it's still a Ford! Yuck! A world with nothing but Ford and Asian imports is like going to Baskin Robbins and all they have is unflavored ice milk! What good is money if there's nothing worthwhile to spend it on?
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Re: billions and billions [lemko] by bpizzuti
Aug 10, 2009 (7:35 am)
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Replying to: lemko (Aug 10, 2009 7:20 am)

Buy a couch and some 13 inch rims and tires. It'll feel just like a Buick.
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Re: billions and billions [gagrice] by imidazol97
Aug 10, 2009 (8:15 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Aug 10, 2009 6:59 am)

I thought that was a Genesis at first glance.
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Re: billions and billions [imidazol97] by gagrice
Aug 10, 2009 (8:20 am)
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I believe it comes from Holden in Australia for the Chinese market. Yes it does look like Hyundai copied the styling some what.
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Re: billions and billions [lemko] by nippononly
Aug 10, 2009 (7:38 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Aug 10, 2009 6:29 am)

Seriously, you should take a look at Ford and Hyundai, two companies that have their stuff together and make some vehicles that would likely be just to your tastes. Starting with the Genesis. Seriously.
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Taxpayers face heavy losses on auto bailout by gagrice
Sep 09, 2009 (7:23 am)
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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Taxpayers face losses on a significant portion of the $81 billion in government aid provided to the auto industry, an oversight panel said in a report to be released Wednesday.
 
The Congressional Oversight Panel did not provide an estimate of the projected loss in its latest monthly report on the $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program. But it said most of the $23 billion initially provided to General Motors Corp. and Chrysler LLC late last year is unlikely to be repaid.
 
"I think they drove a very hard bargain," said Elizabeth Warren, the panel's chairwoman and a law professor at Harvard University, referring to the Obama administration's Treasury Department. "But it may not be enough."
 
The prospect of recovering the government's assistance to GM and Chrysler is heavily dependent on shares of the two companies rising to unprecedented levels, the report said. The government owns 10 percent of Chrysler and 61 percent of GM. The two companies are currently private but are expected to issue stock, in GM's case by next year.
 
The shares "will have to appreciate sharply" for taxpayers to get their money back, the report said.
 
For example, GM's market value would have to reach $67.6 billion, the report said, a "highly optimistic" estimate and more than the $57.2 billion GM was worth at the height of its share value in April 2008. And in the case of Chrysler, about $5.4 billion of the $14.3 billion provided to the company is "highly unlikely" to ever be repaid, the panel said.

 
Flushed down the toilet

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