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Automotive News & Views Do You Favor A Government Loan To The Detroit 3?
3958 messages, Last post on Oct 02, 2009 at 4:52 PM
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Replying to: imidazol97 (May 29, 2009 9:22 am) As a Teamster, when cuts in wages were necessary. We all got the same deal. It makes for a much more pleasant workplace. When everyone shares in the sacrifice. The UAW is probably the poorest excuse for a Union I have ever witnessed in my life. It is no surprise they have lost a million jobs for their members over the last 20 years. The Teamsters added 80,000 new members last year alone. How many did the UAW lose due to poor leadership? |
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Replying to: berri (May 29, 2009 4:25 pm) You can't count the AIG bailout. AIG holds the Pension fund for Congress. No amount of money is too much for those greedy you know what's to spend protecting themselves. I wonder how much of the Bond money tied up in GM and C is insured by AIG and our tax dollars. |
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your comment above just reminded me of the role Jon Voight played in the movie 'Enemy of the State.' It's all about the votes and those votes leading them to more money for themselves. The oldtimers in the UAW are no different. Pathetic. Wonder how many of them wanted to build a good small car for the masses? Even cared enough to? Tell me the Detroit 3 have thought about smaller cars. Cobalt? Caliber? Sheesh!
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Replying to: iluvmysephia1 (May 30, 2009 3:43 am) Exactly...if they were always pissed off at management and expending energy to "GET", We got the cars they were working on when those thoughts permeated the assembly lines! Well, it shows and now we can "see" the ultimate result. Nice going, guys and gals! Regards, OW |
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Title: goverment takeover Review: although i have bought a dodge aspen, a chrysler la baron convertible. a dodge ram truck , 2 caravans that between them i drove 569,000 miles , plus my daughter bought a grand caravan and a labaron convertible ..all from Gary Miller dodge in Erie, Pa ..and were satisfied with the service, the purchases, and the total attitude at this dealership, i shall never ever again buy a gm or a dodge/chrysler product due to what obama and congress and the unions involved did to the legal shareholders that were fianancially raped and the dealerships that were closed and then had to sit back with their losses while the same dealerships were resold. Other than voting against the politicans ..and since they are all crooks it doesnt matter who i vote for...this is my only way of fighting back... Cons: took over by obama and the unions |
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Replying to: broad (Aug 04, 2009 11:16 am) I am sorry but that is just stupid. You are just punishing the struggling dealers and struggling automakers by doing that. If you have a bad experience at a particular dealership or multiple bad experiences from a particular automaker then absolutely punish them by not buying their products. If the government had not taken over GM and Chrylser they would have gone in to Chapter 7 liquidation and the consequences would have been severe. You wouldn't have a choice to punish the automaker at all because they would be out of business. The products Chrysler is making are the same ones you have enjoyed, in the near future they will be better after restructuring, so why not buy them again? You aren't punishing the politicians they will still have their job but you may cost jobs at the dealership and the automaker. If you have unions so much go buy non-union made cars. There are plenty of Toyota, Honda and Nissan products made in the country that are not union made. The union does not own any of GM or Chrysler. The union's health care(VEBA) trust does on a good portion of them but they will be selling their stock to fund the VEBA as soon as possible.
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Replying to: broad (Aug 04, 2009 11:16 am) However, if there was no bailout then GM and Chrysler would have gone into bankruptcy right away, at which point, the shares of legal shareholders would be worth....zero. Who did what to shareholders again? Try looking to the guys running the company, who ran it right to the point where the shareholders were going to be raped no matter what. Personally I'll also avoid buying a GM or Chrysler product...but that's because I don't like 90% of them.
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Replying to: broad (Aug 04, 2009 11:16 am) I will never again buy from GM and Chrysler. I hope more people do the same. Let the unions and employees keep them in business. I for one hope they fail!! |
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Replying to: british_rover (Aug 08, 2009 6:44 am)  I think buying another brand supports some other dealer and manufacturer. I feel sorry for Dodge and GM dealers,  much of what has happened is not their fault, but some blame may be theirs - there are sales and service issues as well. I will vote with my wallet against Government Motors and either buy Fords or Toyotas or from someone who is good enough at their line of business not to require government intervention.
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and billions of dollars, handed to these automakers with no hope of repayment. Dealers summarily dismissed. Bondholders, stockholders, told to take a hike after losing their entire investments. Just so that Fiat can have all the parts of Chrysler it wants for free, and 95% of the key execs at GM can keep their jobs. And they will go right on pumping out the same old schlock, STILL without a course to steer the ship or a way to turn it even if they had one. If there is a groundswell of support across America for the notion not to buy from this pair as a result, I don't think I would shed any tears. All that money we gave them is already long gone either way, so let's at least let them meet the end they deserve. In the case of Fiatler, I don't think we will have TOO long to wait.....
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