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Re: Nissan Posts Loss [ruking1] by lemko
May 12, 2009 (6:52 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (May 12, 2009 6:27 am)

No. I'm 43 and can see quite well.
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Re: Nissan Posts Loss [lemko] by ruking1
May 12, 2009 (6:59 am)
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Replying to: lemko (May 12, 2009 6:52 am)

So Philly streets are where American cars go to die?
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Re: Nissan Posts Loss [lemko] by andre1969
May 12, 2009 (7:06 am)
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Replying to: lemko (May 12, 2009 6:52 am)

The Chinese can't even properly forge a crescent wrench. How are they going to make anything as complex as a front end suspension without the metallurgy failing.
 
I'm sure they're capable of it, but they probably keep the good stuff that they make in their own country, and just send the ultra-cheap stuff over to us! And the reason we get that cheap stuff? Because there's a demand for it!
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Re: Nissan Posts Loss [lemko] by gagrice
May 12, 2009 (7:08 am)
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Replying to: lemko (May 12, 2009 6:52 am)

The Chinese can't even properly forge a crescent wrench.
 
Not Crescent wrench too?
 
In all fairness. I was looking at the new Fiskars hedge trimmers at Lowes. They are now made in China. I cannot tell the difference in fit and finish from my old Made in USA pair. I am glad I have all the tools I will ever need. But some of the stuff they are making now will rival what we have made. It was only a matter of time. Same as with early Japanese vehicles that were junk. Sorry Lemko, you may have the last USA made Buick in your garage right now. I would imagine it has at least 20% Chinese parts.
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Re: Nissan Posts Loss [gagrice] by lemko
May 12, 2009 (7:29 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (May 12, 2009 7:08 am)

Yeah, they will be the 20% that will probably fail.
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Re: Nissan Posts Loss [andre1969] by ruking1
May 12, 2009 (7:41 am)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 12, 2009 7:06 am)

It is hard to say anymore what is "American". The 2001 Chevrolet Z06 Corvette has its engine from Ontario Canada, Brake pads are from Australia. Forged wheels were from an Italian Company (issues about poor forging techniques) Spark plugs from JAPAN. Bosch makes the traction control and abs systems. The shocks are from a German company. The Balsa wood floor panels are from Central America. STP technology ("fiberglass") from... who knows where. Water forged outer structural members from....
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Re: Nissan Posts Loss [ruking1] by nvbanker
May 12, 2009 (8:41 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (May 12, 2009 7:41 am)

Yes, a Camry has way more American Part Content than a Mustang does these days....this is really not a domestic issue anymore, it's a global thing, and the only argument left is "who" makes it, not "where".
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Re: Nissan Posts Loss [nvbanker] by ruking1
May 12, 2009 (8:51 am)
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Replying to: nvbanker (May 12, 2009 8:41 am)

While I am certainly no expert, Honda's Civic/Accord/Fit: Toyota's Corolla/Camry/Matrix are PROBABLY more "AMERICAN" than GM/Ford/Chrysler.
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Re: Nissan Posts Loss [ruking1] by bpizzuti
May 12, 2009 (9:02 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (May 12, 2009 8:51 am)

Depends on your definition of "American." Some define it as being assembled here. Some define it by amount of American-sourced content, no matter where it's assembled. Some say it's American if it's designed here, and who cares who builds it or where the parts come from.
 
Then there are the *ahem* folks who consider it American if ithas a Ford, GM, or Chrysler badge, no matter that it was designed, tested, and built in South Korea from parts that were sourced there and China.
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Re: Nissan Posts Loss [bpizzuti] by ruking1
May 12, 2009 (9:09 am)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (May 12, 2009 9:02 am)

Those two examples fit your whole post.
 
1. Assembled here
2. amount of American-sourced content
3..they are designed here (unless you do not consider LA part of America)
4.and you have got the range of no body cares to some body cares who builds it
5. and or where the parts come from.
 
As for the "ahem" folks.... well while they might let the facts get in the way, the facts speak for themselves.

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