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Do You Favor A Government Loan To The Detroit 3?

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Re: Let's [ruking1] by dave8697
May 08, 2009 (7:23 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (May 08, 2009 5:48 am)

GMAC is a bank. Nobody at GMAC has ANY input into the vehicle designing or producing at GM. Do we hate GM so much that we now want to stop financing from being available to those who dare even buy a GM?
 
Is there any data to suggest that GMAC financed vehicles have a higher default rate than FoMo Credit financed cars? GM builds $260 Billion dollars worth of vehicles in a good year. Where do you think the money to borrow to buy them comes from? The TARP money to GMAC is a small fraction of one years worth of gross sales dollars.
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Re: Let's [dave8697] by ruking1
May 08, 2009 (7:44 am)
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Replying to: dave8697 (May 08, 2009 7:23 am)

I am not sure how to respond to your response.
 
You sort of get what I am saying, but not the real point.
 
My prior post should have clearly indicated that I understand organizations like GMAC are finance companies. Indeed that is what I called it. Are you really taking umbrage to the fact you call it a bank and I a finance company? (I don't think so) While you ask the rhetorical question ...
 
"Do we hate GM so much that we now want to stop financing from being available to those who dare even buy a GM?"...
 
my take is folks that can not/will not pay cash will most certainly fianance it.
 
The problem is credit is so tight right now, seemingly only the HIGHEST credit rating folks can get a "fair loan" (0 to 8%) let alone a loan at all. (you can read the post again for why folks are even ASKING for car loans regardless) So in effect they are only loaning to those who can afford to.... pay cash!!??
 
So again, (not to be rude) for example; you just lost your job , and or your spouse is about to lose theirs : are you going to go out and
1. pay cash for a new GM/Ford/Chrysler, etc., automobile
2. FINANCE one?
 
this is the BAD/ good? news!! Now * this by the 9/10% unemployment rate (30 M folks)
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Looks like Chrysler will proceed... by fezo
May 08, 2009 (8:47 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (May 08, 2009 7:44 am)

dissident group drops fight against Chrysler plan.
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Re: Let's [ruking1] by lemko
May 08, 2009 (9:06 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (May 08, 2009 7:44 am)

8% is fair? For how long? Six years on a four-year old used car? I have top-tier credit. I'd hate to see what a guy with poor credit is paying!!! I got 0% financing on my Cadillac DTS. My girlfriend got 1% on her LaCrosse and this was before GM and others went nuts with generous financing terms.
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Re: Let's [lemko] by ruking1
May 08, 2009 (9:20 am)
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Replying to: lemko (May 08, 2009 9:06 am)

Good point!! Perhaps " current market rates" is a better concept !!! Yes I also would hate to see what a person with poor credit is paying !!!
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Re: Looks like Chrysler will proceed... [fezo] by bpizzuti
May 08, 2009 (9:54 am)
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Replying to: fezo (May 08, 2009 8:47 am)

Looks like what those bondholders were saying as they flew the white flag is (after translation): "We want the cash, we're entitled to the cash, we don't care that it's taxpayer money....but legally we don't have a right to the money. Sorry, tune in next week for our next scam."
 
 
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Re: Let's [ruking1] by andre1969
May 08, 2009 (10:36 am)
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Replying to: ruking1 (May 08, 2009 9:20 am)

Good point!! Perhaps " current market rates" is a better concept !!! Yes I also would hate to see what a person with poor credit is paying !!!
 
I've known people who have paid as bad as ~20% for their car loans.
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Re: Let's [andre1969] by pf_flyer HOST
May 08, 2009 (12:54 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (May 08, 2009 10:36 am)

Not to be cold-hearted about it, but their bad credit rating is their problem, not mine. If you can't afford something, whether you're going to pay for it outright or have to finance, you shouldn't be buying it, be it a house, a car, or anything else that's outside your means to pay for.
 
Geez, it's getting old talking about bailing out companies and people that show no signs of common sense.
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Re: Let's [pf_flyer] by bpizzuti
May 08, 2009 (4:34 pm)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (May 08, 2009 12:54 pm)

Geez, it's getting old talking about bailing out companies and people that show no signs of common sense.
 
Maybe common sense isn't so common after all?
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Re: Let's [bpizzuti] by pf_flyer HOST
May 08, 2009 (5:31 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (May 08, 2009 4:34 pm)

No, it's still out there, but this nasty trend we're in of there being no truth anymore gets in the way of it. Far too many people think there is no right or wrong on any issue, only gray. I swear you could find someone to argue with the premise that the sky is blue. Here's how it would go right before my head explodes...
 
What a beautiful blue sky we have today!
 
Well YOU say it's blue, that doesn't make it true.
 
KAFLOOOEEE!!!!

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