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Automotive News & Views Do You Favor A Government Loan To The Detroit 3?
3958 messages, Last post on Oct 02, 2009 at 4:52 PM
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Replying to: circlew (Mar 07, 2009 5:43 pm) That's the point...its present structure is in flux, and has been even before the recession. It doesn't HAVE a present state because it's been reinventing itself since Mually came on board. Given that, I think they've got a good chance of surviving: they've shown themselves to be a much more flexible, nimble, and adaptable company, and they ARE a leader in some ways. They're leading the way in hybrid technology now, with Fusion spanking Toyota's technology. Their standard ICE engines are looking to leapfrog the competition...the Fiesta looks like it'll get 40 MPG highway, something no one else can match with a pure ICE solution (toyota's little 1.5l doesn't even manage that, I think). Ford's got a lot of success to fall back on, and the public is loving them compared to the Bailout Boys (which sounds like it may soon include Toyota...imagine how a good PR campaign can take advantage of THAT). GM, on the other hand, has spent its entire existence trying to avoid change.
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Mar 07, 2009 6:42 pm) I agree Ford is reinventing itself. Let's see if the market doesn't make change REAL Quick in the next 2 months. My view is their change rate is not going to cut it when it comes to viability considering the current demand climate. We are not at the bottom yet and Ford is just too big to change fast enough on it's own. Just MHO. Model Feb 2009 %Chg from Feb 2008 YTD 2009 % Chg from YTD 2008 Ford F - Series PU 23,614 -55.1 48,851 -47.8 Toyota Camry / Solara 20,634 -40.9 41,416 -37.7 Chevrolet Silverado PU 19,788 -55.1 43,775 -45.4 Toyota Corolla / Matrix 18,103 -14.6 37,341 -11.0 Nissan Altima 16,002 -31.5 30,137 -33.0 Honda Accord 15,976 -42.2 32,557 -36.9 Honda Civic 15,687 -34.1 29,885 -33.3 Dodge Ram PU 14,448 -36.2 27,291 -35.9 Honda CR-V 12,370 -21.2 25,513 -19.5 Chevrolet Malibu 11,516 -5.7 20,828 -20.9 Ford Escape 10,090 -28.9 18,450 -27.3 Ford Focus 9,904 -39.2 17,673 -36.7 Jeep Wrangler 9,088 28.2 15,450 16.8 Dodge Caravan 9,003 -18.7 12,222 -36.2 Hyundai Elantra 8,978 33.0 12,285 -0.6 Toyota RAV4 8,398 0.0 16,432 0.0 Chevrolet Cobalt 8,317 -51.0 13,508 -60.6 Pontiac G6 8,126 -51.9 10,594 -65.7 Chrysler Town & Country 8,099 -32.2 12,391 -41.1 Toyota Tacoma PU 7,874 -40.0 15,493 -36.0 Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Mar 08, 2009 7:25 am) Sorry, but you're falling into the "market share" trap there (see how much GM brainwashed us?). It doesn't matter how many Fusions Ford sells total. What matters is that A: they sell all of the ones they make, and B: they make a profit on them. For how many years was the Mazda3 considered the cream of the crop for small cars? Despite the fact that Mazda didn't sell as many of those as Honda sold Civics? And couldn't, because Mazda simply didn't have the manufacturing capacity? |
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Mar 08, 2009 7:36 am) I know..twin turbo SHO is coming. Twin turbo....yeah, that sounds reliable for a family car. It also will cost 40K plus. By the end of the model year it will be apparent Ford is headed in the same direction, the hill just isn't as steep due to the 23 billion Ford borrowed. How do they plan to ever pay that back? It appears the yearly sales are heading ever downward to under 9 million a year in the USA...I say that because all sales forecasts have been optimistic so far. There are 1250 Fusions in a 100 mile radius of where I live. They won't need to make any more until the spring of 2010 at the current sales rate. That is better than the 2136 Impalas. Hertz should get a new fleet real cheap next fall. |
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If they still haven't got from when the first Toyota or Datsun came over the big use to be 3 will never get it right. Maybe they don't want a bailout as they can reorganise and say good bye to unions ,health care and Detroit. 
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Mar 08, 2009 7:36 am) Regards, OW
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Replying to: circlew (Mar 08, 2009 12:06 pm) |
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Replying to: circlew (Mar 08, 2009 12:06 pm) Meanwhile GM has had Hummer on the auction block since the summer of 08', and is still clinging to their Swedish outfit that has filed for bankruptcy and stop building cars all together. Both of which still have advertising out their btw. 
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Replying to: kernick (Mar 06, 2009 5:08 am) We have to have two cars, a boat,camp and never say no to our kids. methinks the party's over but, it's not and if we get out of this mess,we will be in it again. Did you see the pay off at The Honda Classic and The Nortwest Bank golf tournaments? I wonder if there a Buick Open this year? A Rod gets $250,000,000.00 to play baseball.Some guy on Opera,gave her and her friend a Bently car a piece  $235000.00 each. Whats wrong with this picture? 
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Mar 06, 2009 3:17 am)
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