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Do You Favor A Government Loan To The Detroit 3?

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Re: a better way [steve_] by kernick
Mar 04, 2009 (1:40 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Mar 04, 2009 1:14 pm)

I agree that Corvette and some other parts of the D3 have considerable value. But I don't really have any vested interest or bias, other than I don't want the government and thus our tax $ involved in supporting ANY failing corporate entity. Thus I don't care if the D3 are able to survive with Ch11, 1 or 2 need to go to Ch7, they get loans from the Chinese government, or if they shutdown X% of their operations.
 
They have many experienced executives, accountants, lawyers, and outside fianncial consultants. they should do what gets their stockholders and creditors the most $. But again, I could care less whether they can get $10B or $10 for a brand or division. Good luck to them, I wish them no ill will.
 
But if they keep insisting they aren't going to sell this, or downsize fast, ... then the losses they have should be allowed to force them into dissolution of some sort. That is for them to figure out what is best, not you or I, Geithner, or Obama.
 
Dare I admit that I've never heard of Tommy Bahama?
 
I'm sure you googled it by now. More impressive then the overpriced clothing, is the overpriced furniture.
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Re: a better way [kernick] by steve_ HOST
Mar 04, 2009 (2:14 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Mar 04, 2009 1:40 pm)

I'll wait for the brand to show up at my favorite thrift shop.
 
Thanks for getting us back to the crux of the topic. On that note:
 
Pontiac Torrent Gets the Axe, but G8, Solstice and Vibe Still Alive for Now (Straightline).
 
And here's an odd one:
 
"General Motors Corp. has been bumped off its perch as Canada's top-selling auto-maker, marking a historic redrawing of the country's auto hierarchy as buyers fretting about the economy opt for the cheapest car that will fit their needs.
 
During a month in which total industry sales fell 28%, Chrysler LLC toppled GM in February to become number one. It was the first time since 1949 that GM has been outsold by a rival, industry consultant Dennis DesRosiers said."
 
GM loses pride of place as Chrysler pulls ahead (Financial Post)
 
Ford beat GM too btw.
 
And finally, US auto dealers ask Obama to help stop job losses (Reuters).
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Re: a better way [kdhspyder] by explorerx4
Mar 04, 2009 (6:16 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 03, 2009 7:17 pm)

daimler sucked the life out of chrysler. i just can't figure out how they sucked cerebrus in. maybe some kind of bet on a hole in one?
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New Loans WILL be a WASTE by circlew
Mar 05, 2009 (3:46 am)
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No need for new loans...the inevitable is telling the Car Team to stop the bleeding. Will they listen?
 
GM auditors raise doubts on automaker's viability
GM auditors cite losses, lack of cash flow in raising doubts about its viability

 
    * Tom Krisher, AP Auto Writer
    * Thursday March 5, 2009, 6:37 am EST
 
DETROIT (AP) -- General Motors Corp. says its auditors have raised substantial doubt about the company's ability to continue operations.
 
The troubled automaker revealed the auditors' concerns in its annual report filed on Thursday.
 
GM has received $13.4 billion in federal loans as it tries to survive the worst auto sales climate in 27 years. It is seeking a total of $30 billion from the government. During the past three years it has piled up $82 billion in losses, including $30.9 billion in 2008.
 
GM says in its report that its auditors cited recurring losses from operations, stockholders' deficit and an inability to generate enough cash to meet its obligations in raising substantial doubts about its ability to continue as a going concern.

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OW
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Re: a better way [explorerx4] by lemko
Mar 05, 2009 (5:33 am)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Mar 04, 2009 6:16 pm)

Yeah, maybe the government should get Daimler's vampires to bailout the what once was Chrysler before they sucked all the blood out of it.
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Quiet on the forums by tlong
Mar 05, 2009 (8:42 am)
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It's sort of like a death watch. Major news that 6 months ago would have gotten us all riled up is just routine now. We're all waiting to see what happens.
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Re: Quiet on the forums [tlong] by chikoo
Mar 05, 2009 (9:37 am)
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Replying to: tlong (Mar 05, 2009 8:42 am)

Yup...
 
A sudden death is a big loss.
A bed ridden death appears generally to be good riddance from all troubles.
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Iron-clad logic by pf_flyer HOST
Mar 05, 2009 (12:32 pm)
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That report from the GM auditors says that GM is "highly dependent on auto sales volume"
 
Wow... I never would have realized that an automaker would be dependent on auto sales volume.
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Re: Iron-clad logic [pf_flyer] by circlew
Mar 05, 2009 (12:36 pm)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Mar 05, 2009 12:32 pm)

Exactly why the SAAR estimates in Q4 2008 by the D3 geniuses were so far off it isn't funny. They can't see the forest for the Trees!
 
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OW
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Re: Iron-clad logic [pf_flyer] by lemko
Mar 05, 2009 (1:09 pm)
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Replying to: pf_flyer (Mar 05, 2009 12:32 pm)

That report from the GM auditors says that GM is "highly dependent on auto sales volume"
 
No kidding, Captain Obvious!

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