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Do You Favor A Government Loan To The Detroit 3?

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Re: a better way [bpizzuti] by chikoo
Mar 02, 2009 (12:13 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Mar 02, 2009 7:11 am)

>Because you're subsidizing GM, period. You're subsidizing one of their worst cars...and you're subsidizing their Korean design unit.
 
So how does a bailout guarantee that the money does not go towards the Korean design cars?
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Re: a better way [bpizzuti] by chikoo
Mar 02, 2009 (12:16 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Mar 02, 2009 7:11 am)

>with only 10k of voucher value, that's the ONLY car people can buy
 
Eh? Come again?
 
With 10K voucher, you can buy a Cadillac for the price of a Corolla, a Malibu for the price motorbike......This would make the good designs from GM go up in popularity, crushing the imported ones since a Camry and Accord will cost way more.....
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Re: a better way [kernick] by chikoo
Mar 02, 2009 (12:18 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Mar 02, 2009 9:37 am)

#1: I do not support a bailout.
 
#2: I vote for the voucher if the govt is hell bent upon helping D3.
 
I think I made myself ample clear now. Thanks!
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Re: a better way [chikoo] by bpizzuti
Mar 02, 2009 (12:26 pm)
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Replying to: chikoo (Mar 02, 2009 12:16 pm)

With 10K voucher, you can buy a Cadillac for the price of a Corolla, a Malibu for the price motorbike.
 
Assuming one can get a loan for the difference in price. Which a lot of people can't because of this little thing called a "credit crisis," which is one of the reasons for the current problems.
 
If they can't get a loan for the difference, then all that 10k voucher is going to do is get someone an Aveo. And I predict they would be exchanged for MANY "free" Aveos, thereby stimulating the Korean economy quite nicely. It would be either that or toss them, and most people are NOT going to toss them.
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Re: a better way [bpizzuti] by fezo
Mar 02, 2009 (12:34 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Mar 02, 2009 12:26 pm)

I'd be willing to bet that if they suddenly had those $10K vouchers that the first thing dealers would do would be to put $10K worth of crap on the cars to build the price up...
 
The manufacturers would end all the employee pricing...
 
I actually think cars would be cheaper but not down by $10K with the rebate.
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Re: a better way [fezo] by bpizzuti
Mar 02, 2009 (12:43 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (Mar 02, 2009 12:34 pm)

I'd be willing to bet that if they suddenly had those $10K vouchers that the first thing dealers would do would be to put $10K worth of crap on the cars to build the price up...
 
Some would, I bet.
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Re: a better way [chikoo] by kdhspyder
Mar 02, 2009 (2:24 pm)
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Replying to: chikoo (Mar 02, 2009 12:16 pm)

The voucher system aimed only at the D3 will never get off the ground. Why?
 
It's taxpayers money first. Toyota, Honda, Nissan, Hyundai, BMW and MB are much much much larger taxpayers than any of us ( probably ). Would you allow your money to be given as a gift to a competitor to increase it business at the expense of decreasing your business.
 
Then like it or not to the D3 faithful, the transplants make American vehicles. Some are far more American than even the D3 issues. The Federal Govt will not give cash gifts to one American company at the expense of another American company.
 
It won't happen.
 
Now they might give vouchers to buy any vehicle with a Domestic Content greater than say 55%.....any vehicle. With this it would stimulate a whole variety of sections of the country.
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They give me... by lemko
Mar 02, 2009 (3:35 pm)
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...$10K and I'll buy that 2010 Buick LaCrosse tomorrow!
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Re: a better way [kdhspyder] by berri
Mar 02, 2009 (5:21 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Mar 02, 2009 2:24 pm)

One thing a $10K voucher will do is jack up the price of a car. It may have some increase in sales, but only from people on the margin. Most are hunkering down right now, so I wouldn't expect it to blow the doors off of car sales since people would still have to come up with another $10K to buy an average vehicle and pay the tax and license on it.
 
Interesting that if a foreign producer did this in their home market we'd have a lot of Americans yelling about fair trade practices against US vehicles.
 
I'm still thinking a liquidation of Chrysler and an orderly bankruptcy restructuring of GM is the best way to go. If the economy stays soft all year, Ford will probably become a problem child as well. That will be even more complicated because of the Ford family favored stock class interests. I would insist that go away before any US tax dollars go there. You might have a bit more foreign interest in acquiring parts of Ford if they get into trouble later.
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Re: a better way [berri] by mikefm58
Mar 02, 2009 (5:41 pm)
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Replying to: berri (Mar 02, 2009 5:21 pm)

Most are hunkering down right now
 
You got that right. We were talking about it the other day at work, only spending money on absolute necessities, those of us still with jobs are staying tight, cash is good. My tax refund and anything coming my way from the stimulus package is going in my money market account.

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