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Do You Favor A Government Loan To The Detroit 3?

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Re: Example for GM or Chrysler [fezo] by lemko
Jan 16, 2009 (12:54 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (Jan 16, 2009 12:29 pm)

I got my place before the bubble really started to grow. Had I waited a year, I realistically couldn't afford my own place even though the mortgage people were willing to throw me enough money to practically buy a Main Line mansion! I got a little "smart" with one crafty broker. I said to him:
 
"Let me look into my crystal ball. A friend comes over to see me in my new house financed by your company. My friend says to me, 'What a beautiful house you have, Lemko!' I say, 'Thank you! Let me show you around! There's my milk crate entertainment center complete with a Philco black and white portable, my Sears all-in-one AM/FM 8-track stereo and all my K-tel cartridges. In here is my cable spool kitchen table with expended beer kegs for seats, if you look in front of my huge 3-car garage you'll see my orange 1973 hatchback with the brown door. Would you like some dinner? I've got ramen noodles and a six-pack of OId Milwaukee! Oops, sorry! I'm late for my third job at Wal~Mart!"
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Re: Example for GM or Chrysler [lemko] by fezo
Jan 16, 2009 (1:03 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 16, 2009 12:54 pm)

yeah, that's the drill all right. When did yo buy? Early 90s?
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Re: Example for GM or Chrysler [fezo] by lemko
Jan 16, 2009 (1:36 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (Jan 16, 2009 1:03 pm)

Actually, I bought my current place in January 2003. I had another place prior that I lived in since May 1992, but the neighborhood started going bad, so l left. It's a really good thing I did because in the last week a heroin stash house was uncovered and two clerks were shot in a stand-off after a botched robbery of a pharmacy. Both were within a block of my old place. Sad, because the neighborhood was beautiful 10-15 years ago.
 
Philly didn't experience the housing bubble like places like Los Angeles, Phoenix, Miami, or Las Vegas. Some places in the nicer suburbs got ridiculous and I shunned them like an ebola-infested gorilla! Today, I pass all those formerly pricy places and they have one thing in common - For Sale signs.
 
My current mortgage+homeowner's insurance+taxes payment is < $1,000! I just hope my current 'hood doesn't suffer the same fate as my old one. The good thing is, they are actually building new homes in my neighborhood that start at $300K! Good luck finding buyers in this economic climate!
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Re: Example for GM or Chrysler [lemko] by kernick
Jan 16, 2009 (1:39 pm)
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Replying to: lemko (Jan 16, 2009 12:54 pm)

No. No. No. The deal was to get a 100% loan on a new home, which is okay, knowing that the value of housing was going up 10% per year. You were supposed to buy the house, and then a month later go down the bank, get them to reappraise the house higher, and then take a home equity loan on that higher appraisal to buy your furniture.
 
If the appraisal wasn't high enough for all your furniture, then you would get some high limit credit cards; because after all you're the type of person who could afford an expensive house.
 
Either they were a bunch of crooks, or idiots; OR both.
 
Now has anyone here figured out how long it will take for GM and Chrysler to payback the loans. Do a best-case study - taking the highest profit either had in the last 10 years, and figuring they'll make 50% of that each year on average going forward (so if GM made 2 billion in their best year, let's say GM makes $1B every year from now on).
 
Also consider this. Stockholders buy a stock to share in the profits. If all GM's profits go to repay the loan, why is anyone going to want GM stock for years?
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Re: Example for GM or Chrysler [kernick] by lemko
Jan 16, 2009 (1:49 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Jan 16, 2009 1:39 pm)

Aaaaghhh! Stupid! Stupid! Stupid! I would NEVER draw on the equity of my home except as a last-ditch Hail Mary attempt to stave-off a temporary financial set-back after I've exhausted every other option. A cash-advance against a credit card causes one to take a bigger bath than being thrown off the Queen Mary wearing cement shoes in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean!
 
The type who can "afford" an expensive house are usually the type who can "afford" to buy a big blingy SUV with the wheels that keep on spinnin' and spinnin' and spinnin'!
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Re: Example for GM or Chrysler [kernick] by xrunner2
Jan 16, 2009 (2:53 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Jan 16, 2009 1:39 pm)

Watch HGTV on cable or satellite to see first time house buyers getting approved for big loans and zero down. These episodes were made maybe from 2005 to mid 2008. These were young couples maybe living in an apt or were scheduled to get married soon. Besides financial mess contributed to by banks, lending institutions, Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, maybe HGTV deserves some blame for showing episodes of zero down home buying and glorifying the got-to-have-it-now mentality.
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Re: Example for GM or Chrysler [xrunner2] by imidazol97
Jan 16, 2009 (7:38 pm)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 16, 2009 2:53 pm)

>Watch HGTV on cable or satellite to see first time house buyers getting approved for big loans and zero down. These episodes were made maybe from 2005 to mid 2008.
 
I noticed the shows on flipping started carrying a disclaimer on one cable network and there aren't many of them anymore. For a while last summer and early fall they were everywhere. People were buying on loans to spend a few weeks or months rebuilding a house and then sell it for a profit.!!!
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Where's my Bailout? by andres3
Jan 21, 2009 (12:55 pm)
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Good riddens to Circuit City, they were on my ****list along with Chrysler.
 
Best Buy is on the list too, but they are the last man standing really, with no competition in southern California it looks like.
 
I think the Mom & Pop electronic stores can now make a comeback, as we come full circle, or will it be the internet shops that take over?
 
But where will people go and look at the merchandise, test it out, since there are no more physical stores? All the frugal people out there did the smart thing and went to the store to figure out what was best, but then got online and saved 25% for the same product they tested in the store.
 
Obama needs to give the people the money, forget about the horrible corporations and businesses like the Big 3.
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Re: Where's my Bailout? [andres3] by explorerx4
Jan 21, 2009 (2:22 pm)
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Replying to: andres3 (Jan 21, 2009 12:55 pm)

i have had a problem with the big brick and mortar retailers that also sell on line when i ordered something, that it turns out to be an item that has been repackaged.
this can happen with in store merchanise too.
we bought a phone that would not recognize the remote units.
it fiddling with it, i found out the caller id memory full.
it looked like this phone had been by at least 3 other people.
oh, this is about the B3 automakers.
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Re: Example for GM or Chrysler [xrunner2] by tayl0rd
Jan 22, 2009 (11:53 am)
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Replying to: xrunner2 (Jan 16, 2009 2:53 pm)

...glorifying the got-to-have-it-now mentality. ...
 
If not now, when? If not here, where? If not me, who? If not this, what? If not this way, how? If not for this reason, why?
 
 

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