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Do You Favor A Government Loan To The Detroit 3?

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Re: Chrysler News [bpizzuti] by loosenut
Jan 14, 2009 (1:45 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Jan 14, 2009 5:50 am)

i believe in the evolution that capitalism has always done with -everything..many good products failed because not enough people understood what they were,or how good-or bad,a given product was..i've found some really neat,creative products in the products death row-the 99 cent places.. then,not unlike chrystler's inventory of those giant land yhat-gas guzzling-rolling sofa's they were making back in the -70's.when lee iacoca (who invented the mustang) took over and revived it with the K-car and the minivan..making cars that people WANTED AND NEEDED-rather than what their comitties decided what they THOUGHT we wanted!!..
--THEN, to export those jobs to where they could exploit the poor-usually in some third world country-where they ALSO got to "help" write enviormental policy,and labor laws,all to "maximise profits",,then still ask 40.000 for a car that won't go 100.000 miles and still be a car,while europe has been doing it for generations..
the thing that gets me,is where they tell people to put that 5w20 oil in their cars-KNOWING a motor will sieze a main bearing with that thin crap in it..rember 3-in-one oil?..that was a 10 weight oil..so,would YOU expect protection from a oil too thin to lubricate a sewing machine??..and the hundreds of cars i see for sale on craigs,where-it's a nice car,only needs a motor !!they call it "planned obsolesence",where parts only last for about 100.00,then,are designed to break,so you get tired of fixing that old,dirty,dented car for a NEW one,and they make money!!!
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Bank of America = GM and CRYsler by circlew
Jan 14, 2009 (3:50 pm)
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Very, very soon, GM and C will need more dough DESPITE the GM claim that they MIGHT not need more bailout help. FORD will be on line as well!
 
Anyone need to dispute this?? Come on, Do you fell lucky...PUNK?
 
Did anyone really think the internal forecasting capability in the D3 are any better than the IDIOTS in the Banking/Finance community, let alone CONGRESS?
 
OK, I'm good now after I got that off my chest. Now, on to paying my taxes...
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Bank of America = GM and CRYsler [circlew] by cooterbfd
Jan 14, 2009 (4:12 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jan 14, 2009 3:50 pm)

".......Anyone need to dispute this?? Come on, Do you fell lucky...PUNK?"
 
I call your bluff Harry. No bullets in your gun.
 
Back it up w/ something. I've got nothing to lose, lying here on the ground staring down the barrel of an UNLOADED .45
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Re: Bank of America = GM and CRYsler [cooterbfd] by gagrice
Jan 14, 2009 (5:13 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jan 14, 2009 4:12 pm)

staring down the barrel of an UNLOADED .45
 
Wrong again. It was a .44 magnum the most powerful handgun on the planet.
 
At least when Dirty Harry was saying it. Just like the UAW, he was a throw back to a different time. Walking around carrying protest signs is SO EU or MIDDLE EASTERN. This is America where we just get it done.
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Re: Bank of America = GM and CRYsler [cooterbfd] by circlew
Jan 14, 2009 (5:57 pm)
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Replying to: cooterbfd (Jan 14, 2009 4:12 pm)

You've got a lot to loose, pal!
 
At the North American International Auto Show in Detroit on Monday, Ford Chief Executive Officer Alan Mulally predicted that U.S. vehicle sales "will gradually start to come back in the second half" of the year. Confidently declaring that "we will not see the worst case" scenario for industry sales, Mr. Mulally nonetheless acknowledged in a Bloomberg Television interview that Ford "would definitely need to think about recapitalizing" if total industry deliveries slumped to 10 million.
 
That level approximates the U.S. annual sales rate in the fourth quarter.
 
"The long and short of the situation is that it is unlikely to improve anytime soon," consulting firm IHS Global Insight, based in Lexington, Mass., said in a research report last week. "A predicted sales rate of 10.1 to 10.3 million units in 2009 would be disastrous, meeting or even [falling] below the 'worst-case scenarios' presented by the Detroit Three automakers to the U.S. Congress late last year."
 
The latest projection of IHS Global Insight, which has been making economic forecasts for more than 40 years, calls for American consumers to buy between 10 million and 10.5 million vehicles this year.
 
If sales were to fall that far, Ford told Congress in December that it would likely need federal loans of as much as $13 billion to sustain all its operations.

If Ford goes for $13B, GM and C would be OK?????
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Chrysler News [loosenut] by explorerx4
Jan 14, 2009 (6:58 pm)
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Replying to: loosenut (Jan 14, 2009 1:45 pm)

so exactly when is that 5W20 oil supposed to cause the engine to sieze?
my explorer has almost 90k on it. do i have another week? or a month?
how long?
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Re: Chrysler News [explorerx4] by steve_ HOST
Jan 14, 2009 (7:02 pm)
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Replying to: explorerx4 (Jan 14, 2009 6:58 pm)

My van has 130k on it using mostly 5W20 (sometimes I buy the garbage stuff on sale) with 7,500 mile intervals.
 
So you probably don't have anything to worry about for at least another ten days or so.
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Re: Bailout Money [driver100] by explorerx4
Jan 14, 2009 (7:04 pm)
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Replying to: driver100 (Jan 13, 2009 4:15 am)

how long are you going to keep the same car?
mine are < 1 year, 5 years, 6.5 years and 18.5 years. i realize not everyone has the same priorities regarding the vehicles they buy. mine are different that yours. doesn't make either one better or worse. i am in favor of the government assistance for the automakers since it will at least create a softer landing for the general economy as it relates to auto industry contraction due to lower sales.
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Re: Chrysler News [steve_] by explorerx4
Jan 14, 2009 (7:06 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 14, 2009 7:02 pm)

maybe i should park my awd's and drive the mustang since it has 10w30 in it.
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Re: Chrysler News [steve_] by gagrice
Jan 14, 2009 (9:35 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Jan 14, 2009 7:02 pm)

It did surprise me that Toyota put regular 30 W in my Sequoia on the first oil change. I mostly use 5W40 Pennsoil when given the option. I was not going to pay $70 extra for synthetic on my first and last service at a Toyota dealer.
 
PS
Have we given GM any cash or are we waiting for the Chinese to print more money for US?

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