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Automotive News & Views Do You Favor A Government Loan To The Detroit 3?
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Replying to: driver100 (Dec 14, 2008 5:49 pm) I like BMW performance and seats, but I find them hard to look at. 
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Replying to: elroy5 (Dec 14, 2008 4:47 pm) It's nice that someone likes the Accord. The topic is Government Loan but I'll follow up to the personal opinion expressed in re the 03 Accord. I test drove one when they were new. It was rough riding. It made noises pulling out and in the dealer driveway at the street where it was twisted. It drove like a car with over-inflated tires; it bounced the wheel and whole car on every pebble and tar strip in the road as well as acted like it couldn't decide which way was the crown of the road with a wandering feeling instead of a definite direction. The seat felt like a school chair. I kept reading in forums how wonderful the Hondas were. Later people started posting about lead problems in the steering, cracking noises when the car was twisted for which a few were rebought by Honda, brakes that wore quickly or gave problems, seats that were uncomfortable and spartan, as well as the extra large A-pillar blocking the view. I purchased a leSabre after that because it had interior plastic that wasn't straight from Walmart and had comfortable seats. It has seen the dealer few times for any kind of service and is proving very reliable. It has a firmer ride than earlier Buicks and doesn't beat one to death. >highway stability, to performance and craftsmanship. It's actually hard for me to put Impala, and craftsmanship, in the same sentence, I could hard put comfortable car in which to travel and Accord in the same sentence either. However rather than criticizing the other car, I'll just say I arrive in a very comfortable state after 5-hour drive to Nashville or Sevierville. But I realize that some like a ride that bounces every bone. I had a Mustang set up that way in the past. I won't criticize the tuner crowd who may desire a car like that now, but please don't critique the other cars as worthless and useless. It's okay for someone to love their choice of car and someone else to appreciate their own. My point is that the GM end of things does deserve government action. We wasted money on the bank problem caused by government and lack of oversight by government starting in the 1990s. Perhaps we need to tax the builders who are not native to the country and have been able to build very cheaply because they don't have the responsibilities the US builders have to retirees and present workers, no matter whom you choose to blame for the builders' problems. The last data I saw on one of the forums showed the US brands sold more than half the cars in this country. That might be in the UAW discussion if someone cares to look for the link.
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Canada's side is offering 20% on the Bush's US bailout, if succusful. Considering Canada has 10% of the USA population Canada's bailout should not be more than 10%, although I disagree on any bailout. It's not fair to any person who lost their earnings in another business because of these troubling times. I do not see why Chrysler should receive any bailout as if is part of the investment company Cerberus and Cerberus has money available from their other investments. Some foreign parts make their way into NA vehicles. On-the-other-hand, BMW's new 6 speed automatic is a GM product. Regarding the Chevolet Volt that will be coming out in a few years, Honda says the timing is too early for this technology and they said they could have product a similar product but it may have big problems, The BIG3 (Americans) might be selling more than Toyota, Honda, etc but the BIG3 have large reliable and service issues. Just look a the readers' black dots in Consumer Reports and Edmunds,com reports. My vehicle history 2002 Honda Odyssey (current) 1992 Taurus Odyssey 1982 Customized Ford E150 travel 1979 Merury Zephyr 1972 Datsun 510 1967 Plymouth Valiant 1965 Morris 1100 1963 Austin Mini |
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| I should have put down Ford Taurus, not Taurus Odyssey. I was asleep when writing my post. | |
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Replying to: lemko (Dec 14, 2008 2:36 pm) Lem, it is funny that you have all these images of who drives a CamCord, and BMW. My impression of a Buick driver is obviously 60+, usually can't see over the steering wheel, drives about 10 to 20 miles below the speed limit, comes to a full stop before entering a highway on an entrance ramp. Probably has tea and melba toast at 2 p.m. Spends most of his day in a bathrobe and slippers. Likes his car to be the same comfort as his living room couch. Thinks the easier the steering wheel moves the better the steering. Thinks the more metal he can buy for his money the better the value of the car. If he is younger than 60 he bought the car at least one year old as a resale because he'll get it for half price. Probably prefers a bench seat in the front .......lots of room to fit Yup, nothing like driving down the highway in your livingroom.
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Replying to: imidazol97 (Dec 14, 2008 6:16 pm) |
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 13, 2008 9:42 pm) Can you imagine the quality gap between the craftsmen of pianos then compared to the UAW today??? |
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Replying to: dieselone (Dec 14, 2008 2:58 pm) That is why we see so many retired Navy guys driving Buicks and Caddys. It reminds them of life on the ocean. Floating over those big waves. I have to agree, it is better to ride in than drive. I like to feel the road more than is possible in a GM car.
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Hi all: ---------------------------Give each adult a voucher of $10,000.00 to purchase a NEW American vehicle from either GM, Chrysler or Ford. These "vouchers" would have NO "cash value" outside of a vehicle purchase, and could only be used during a NEW vehicle purchase. ----(No used vehicles.) ---- This action would stimulate the economy from the bottom up, and get the American vehicle manufacturers a larger percentage of the "market share!" ----- It would take customers from Honda, Toyota, Nissan, Hyundai and Kia. Best regards. ---------- Dwayne  
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Replying to: djm2 (Dec 15, 2008 4:26 am) Build a better mousetrap and the world will beat a path to your door. Giving away a mousetrap that consumers aren't buying in the numbers you want doesn't do anything to improve the perception of that product in the eyes of consumers. |
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