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#1574 of 3958 Re: Ford's tough [explorerx4] by elroy5 Dec 13, 2008 (2:51 pm)
Replying to: explorerx4 (Dec 13, 2008 2:10 pm) For a long time CR was considered the lone source of un-biased (no advertising $$) thorough testing information available. This did not bode well for the Detroit 3 in the 80's and 90's, because their cars were "sub-par", and CR said so. Replies to this message: explorerx4 (Dec 13, 2008 5:29 pm)
#1575 of 3958 Re: Ford's tough [lemko] by dino001 Dec 13, 2008 (4:17 pm)
Replying to: lemko (Dec 13, 2008 2:30 pm) Then go and buy them - I'll be last to stop you. Of course as a loyal supporter, you will buy at MSRP+$2000 ADM (dealer fund) + $2500 (UAW fund), won't you? Oh, I forgot - it's not about you - it's abou making ME buy their cr.., I mean product. Of course, that's on top of my taxes going now to Gettelfinger election comittee...
#1576 of 3958 Re: government loans [dtownfb] by clancey Dec 13, 2008 (5:08 pm)
Replying to: dtownfb (Dec 13, 2008 1:34 pm) I am not against unions per say - Just this union or others that do not want to accept the market forces. Each agreed to a contract - It would not matter if the union workers made $125.00 per hour and the company could make a profit selling their product ( cars, whatever ) But when you hold up the American taxpayer for money because you cannot make a profit both parties need to consider changes. If not, you fold, and another company will come along and figure out how to do so with a profit. The Dems seem to support the unions no matter what - it does not seem to matter if its cars or sub par public education. Restructuring the big three will not destroy the country.
#1577 of 3958 Re: Listened to Ed today [tired_old_dave] by iwant12 Dec 13, 2008 (5:12 pm)
Replying to: tired_old_dave (Dec 13, 2008 1:46 pm) I presume you're talking about Ed Wallace. I have the utmost respect for that man, listen to his show when I can, and read his articles every Sunday in the Fort Worth Star Telegram. In fact, I save Wheels for last, as I consider it the most important part of the entire paper! Replies to this message: tired_old_dave (Dec 13, 2008 6:40 pm) iwant12 (Dec 14, 2008 8:21 am)
#1578 of 3958 Re: government loans [gagrice] by clancey Dec 13, 2008 (5:16 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Dec 13, 2008 1:36 pm) Thank you - I agree with the c-11 - it will get them back on tract - As I said I have bought GM and Ford for over 30 years with one exception - my wife owns a 2006 Jeep Liberty with the 2.8 turbo diesel - very, very neat SUV - that engine in a Wrangler would be super.
#1579 of 3958 Re: Ford's tough [elroy5] by explorerx4 Dec 13, 2008 (5:29 pm)
Replying to: elroy5 (Dec 13, 2008 2:51 pm) CR has a bias. it is not paid for by advirtising.
#1580 of 3958 Ford yes Chrysler yes GM no by robertc Dec 13, 2008 (5:34 pm)
Ford and Chrysler build decent cars for the money. GM is overpriced junk maybe your grandmother has a 3.8 liter buick that is ok but GM cannot build a decent 4 cylinder or small V6 ...how about GM Air Conditioners, head gaskets, and brake problems that go on year after year and decade after decade un resolved. Please let GM go and save Chrysler and Ford we consumers will be better off without GM. Ford and Chrysler will do better withou GM around to stink up the reputation of the remaining 2 Replies to this message: andres3 (Dec 16, 2008 3:34 pm)
#1581 of 3958 what about this question? by explorerx4 Dec 13, 2008 (6:01 pm)
isn't the federal government supposed to look out for the best interest of the country as a whole? why haven't they done anything that is not reactionary since when? what is their plan to keep the usa ahead of the global curve? sometimes the politics seems to cloud the focus.
#1582 of 3958 Re: Listened to Ed today [iwant12] by tired_old_dave Dec 13, 2008 (6:40 pm)
Replying to: iwant12 (Dec 13, 2008 5:12 pm) You are correct and I've been linking his work and his articles for some time to the point I believe some people must think I am a shill? for him. He's a son of an Air Force Colonel pilot - so he said today, a musician, climbed up from car sales, and reads and reads and listens and listens, he is a self made man and believes presumedly that we should take care of ourselves and let government do want they do best -roads and national security. I believe we as a people are interdependent and by extension the whole world.     We are just a few of the many in this world who have respect for Mr. Wallace. We disagree on some things as has been noted today. Sadly, I have never met him and missed a chance last weekend to help his charity with a gift at one of his sponsors.   He's the first thing I read. Just got home from helping the economy and have tomorrow's paper. Replies to this message: iwant12 (Dec 14, 2008 8:21 am)
#1583 of 3958 Re: . [kernick] by fintail Dec 13, 2008 (6:49 pm)
Replying to: kernick (Dec 13, 2008 7:17 am) Isn't "tit for tat" pretty much the definition of American national strategy over at least the past several generations? Isn't giving greedy globalist banks money while refusing to give anything to organizations tied to leftist unions which have made the plutocrats bitter for eons another form of "tit for tat"? To think that even a big $30BN+++ bailout would be less than a decade's worth of "aid" to parasites Israel and Pakistan - and I don't see callous politicians whining about that, nor did they whine with any substance against the greatest robbery of a national treasury in history. Tit for tat...it's all political.   No bailouts for any, indeed - but to draw an arbitrary line for one where far more evil forces are allowed to prosper with public funds isn't very logical, itself. If's not about logic, never has been, never will be. This insane bent towards dog eat dog Misean capitalism (lacking any venues of accountability for economic terrorists) will not produce logic, it will produce a plutocratic oligarchy with a two and a half tiered serfdom society.   The assets of banking executives should be confiscated, by force if need be, to repay their corporate debts. The hiding of assets offshore should be made a severe crime, too. Of course, those who hold such assets are the ones who truly make the rules and direct the US (no matter what silly voters want to believe) - so your idea or mine have zero chance of ever existing. Replies to this message: kernick (Dec 14, 2008 5:55 am) fintail (Dec 14, 2008 7:38 am) kernick (Dec 14, 2008 8:42 am) and 3 more... lemko (Dec 14, 2008 6:11 am) fintail (Dec 14, 2008 7:41 am) lemko (Dec 14, 2008 7:47 am)

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