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#1570 of 3958 Re: Ford's tough [lemko] by elroy5 Dec 13, 2008 (2:05 pm)
Replying to: lemko (Dec 13, 2008 11:30 am) That's nice, but that's barely out of warranty. What about at 75K, 100K, 125K miles?    Ask the man who owns both a 1988 Buick Park Avenue and a 1989 Cadillac Brougham in excess of the mileages you posted - they do extremely well!!! You take care of a Cadillac or Buick and they'll reward you with decades of loyal service!!!   My father still has his 71 Impala. That says NOTHING about it's reliability, build quality, or it's driving dynamics (which are all less than stellar). It only means it's been sitting there for quite a while. His Impala, and your Buick and Cadillac are Dinosaurs, worth more as scrap metal than cars at this point. Replies to this message: gagrice (Dec 13, 2008 2:12 pm) lemko (Dec 13, 2008 2:30 pm) dino001 (Dec 13, 2008 4:17 pm) driver100 (Dec 14, 2008 8:36 am) dieselone (Dec 14, 2008 8:54 am) and 78 more... lemko (Dec 14, 2008 9:47 am) and 9 more...
#1571 of 3958 Re: Ford's tough [grbeck] by explorerx4 Dec 13, 2008 (2:10 pm)
Replying to: grbeck (Dec 11, 2008 7:18 am) i think most CR subscibers are not inclined to buy anything domestic. it's just not in their genes. all auto retailers are in trouble due to the housing meltdown and for which 4.50 gas was the match. look at the november sales percentages. it was a huge downturn across the board. Replies to this message: elroy5 (Dec 13, 2008 2:51 pm) explorerx4 (Dec 13, 2008 5:29 pm)
#1572 of 3958 Re: Ford's tough [elroy5] by gagrice Dec 13, 2008 (2:12 pm)
Replying to: elroy5 (Dec 13, 2008 2:05 pm) worth more as scrap metal than cars at this point.   That may be true. However my wife's 1990 LS400 is still going strong and gets driven 3 or 4 times per week. It may be worthless as a trade-in. It is still a very reliable car for us to have. No good reason to sell it at scrap prices. We will just keep driving it until something expensive fails.
#1573 of 3958 Re: Ford's tough [elroy5] by lemko Dec 13, 2008 (2:30 pm)
Replying to: elroy5 (Dec 13, 2008 2:05 pm) One man's trash is another man's treasure. As far as I'm concerned, my old Caddy and Buick are worth their weight in 24K gold and flawless diamonds. Replies to this message: dino001 (Dec 13, 2008 4:17 pm) driver100 (Dec 14, 2008 8:36 am) dieselone (Dec 14, 2008 8:54 am) driver100 (Dec 14, 2008 9:54 am) and 77 more... lemko (Dec 14, 2008 9:47 am) driver100 (Dec 14, 2008 10:11 am) and 7 more... jimbres (Dec 14, 2008 5:37 pm)
#1574 of 3958 Re: Ford's tough [explorerx4] by elroy5 Dec 13, 2008 (2:51 pm)
Replying to: explorerx4 (Dec 13, 2008 2:10 pm) For a long time CR was considered the lone source of un-biased (no advertising $$) thorough testing information available. This did not bode well for the Detroit 3 in the 80's and 90's, because their cars were "sub-par", and CR said so. Replies to this message: explorerx4 (Dec 13, 2008 5:29 pm)
#1575 of 3958 Re: Ford's tough [lemko] by dino001 Dec 13, 2008 (4:17 pm)
Replying to: lemko (Dec 13, 2008 2:30 pm) Then go and buy them - I'll be last to stop you. Of course as a loyal supporter, you will buy at MSRP+$2000 ADM (dealer fund) + $2500 (UAW fund), won't you? Oh, I forgot - it's not about you - it's abou making ME buy their cr.., I mean product. Of course, that's on top of my taxes going now to Gettelfinger election comittee...
#1576 of 3958 Re: government loans [dtownfb] by clancey Dec 13, 2008 (5:08 pm)
Replying to: dtownfb (Dec 13, 2008 1:34 pm) I am not against unions per say - Just this union or others that do not want to accept the market forces. Each agreed to a contract - It would not matter if the union workers made $125.00 per hour and the company could make a profit selling their product ( cars, whatever ) But when you hold up the American taxpayer for money because you cannot make a profit both parties need to consider changes. If not, you fold, and another company will come along and figure out how to do so with a profit. The Dems seem to support the unions no matter what - it does not seem to matter if its cars or sub par public education. Restructuring the big three will not destroy the country.
#1577 of 3958 Re: Listened to Ed today [tired_old_dave] by iwant12 Dec 13, 2008 (5:12 pm)
Replying to: tired_old_dave (Dec 13, 2008 1:46 pm) I presume you're talking about Ed Wallace. I have the utmost respect for that man, listen to his show when I can, and read his articles every Sunday in the Fort Worth Star Telegram. In fact, I save Wheels for last, as I consider it the most important part of the entire paper! Replies to this message: tired_old_dave (Dec 13, 2008 6:40 pm) iwant12 (Dec 14, 2008 8:21 am)
#1578 of 3958 Re: government loans [gagrice] by clancey Dec 13, 2008 (5:16 pm)
Replying to: gagrice (Dec 13, 2008 1:36 pm) Thank you - I agree with the c-11 - it will get them back on tract - As I said I have bought GM and Ford for over 30 years with one exception - my wife owns a 2006 Jeep Liberty with the 2.8 turbo diesel - very, very neat SUV - that engine in a Wrangler would be super.
#1579 of 3958 Re: Ford's tough [elroy5] by explorerx4 Dec 13, 2008 (5:29 pm)
Replying to: elroy5 (Dec 13, 2008 2:51 pm) CR has a bias. it is not paid for by advirtising.

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