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Do You Favor A Government Loan To The Detroit 3?

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Re: what's missing here? [gagrice] by kdhspyder
Dec 08, 2008 (11:11 am)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 08, 2008 9:12 am)

I too think it's too late for a GM/C merger. Chrysler has maybe 3 good but middle-sized assets.
The Jeep name along with the Wrangler
The Ram business but it's shrinking along with all other trucks
The minvans but those are shrinking also
 
It also has some rights via Daimler to the 2-Mode hybrid system but nothing of interest to put into use.
 
Luckily for future buyers ( and this is actually part of Chrysler's problem ) none of these are compatible. The Wrangler underpinings are different than the Ram which is entirely different from the minivans.
 
Mahindra Jeeps?
Chinese Minivans?
Renault-Nissan Rams?
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Re: Saturn may be easier to kill.... [bpizzuti] by nippononly
Dec 08, 2008 (12:55 pm)
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Replying to: bpizzuti (Dec 08, 2008 9:53 am)

>"Saturn is not a candidate for sale because it has no dedicated manufacturing or engineering facilities apart from GM, according to another source."
  
None of them do, that's the way GM works
 
GM was really stupid here - it used to be that all the small Saturns were built at Spring Hill, TN, the dedicated Saturn plant. THAT would have been an asset they could have sold now if they had continued that arrangement, but these days Spring Hill makes something else, and I guess some the Astras come from Europe?
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Well now we will wait and see by joel0622
Dec 08, 2008 (1:33 pm)
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They have come up with something and sent it to the Big House.
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Re: What the government should do [gagrice] by bobgwtw
Dec 08, 2008 (2:26 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 06, 2008 4:08 pm)

Slow on the button??? The guy's been in charge for 14 years snd the only direction GM has gone during this time is down! How long do you get to produce & show progress in a job before your boss pulls the plug? Sure wish I worked for an organization that rewarded this kind of under performance with the salary & bonus' hes been getting.
 
How long would you & I & everyone I know that works for a living last with this kind of dismal performance?
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Re: What the government should do [bobgwtw] by circlew
Dec 08, 2008 (2:35 pm)
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Replying to: bobgwtw (Dec 08, 2008 2:26 pm)

The Board is really on the Ball, don't you think?
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: [anythngbutgm] by andre1969
Dec 08, 2008 (2:38 pm)
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Replying to: anythngbutgm (Dec 08, 2008 11:02 am)

nd in related news, Toyota, GM's arch-rival has announced it will match GM's spending and cost cuts by cutting it's own critical items such as double-ply toilet paper for the bathrooms (instead going to single-ply)
 
Oh, so they're going to start using that same 50-grit sandpaper that we gov't contractors have had to put up with since the dawn of time.
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Re: [andre1969] by gagrice
Dec 08, 2008 (4:49 pm)
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Replying to: andre1969 (Dec 08, 2008 2:38 pm)

cutting it's own critical items such as double-ply toilet paper for the bathrooms
 
What is funny is I remember the Operators at RCA Alascom filing a grievance over TOO COURSE TOILET PAPER. And the company got samples and started buying the one the girls voted for.
 
RCA sold out before they needed to be bailed out.
 
I don't think Congress is real happy giving money to a losing cause like the automakers.
 
At the Capitol, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., said, "While we take no satisfaction in loaning taxpayer money to these companies, we know it must be done." He added, "This is no blank check or blind hope."
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by steve_ HOST
Dec 08, 2008 (5:01 pm)
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"A bankruptcy filing by General Motors and Chrysler would cost U.S. taxpayers four times more than the amount of federal bridge loans being considered this week by Congress, a new study finds."
 
Automakers' Bankruptcy Would Cost Taxpayers Four Times More Than Bailout, Study Finds (AutoObserver)
 
Kernick notes on the GM News discussion that Anderson, the study author, is based in Michigan and their largest clients are the Big 3.
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Re: [gagrice] by imidazol97
Dec 08, 2008 (5:05 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 08, 2008 4:49 pm)

>said, "While we take no satisfaction in loaning taxpayer money to these companies, we know it must be done."
 
Many taxpayers would say, "While we take no satisfaction in giving taxpayer money to these Congressmen, we know it must be done."
 
Too bad we can't add in order to limit Congress, "This is no blank check or blind hope."
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Re: [steve_] by gagrice
Dec 08, 2008 (5:21 pm)
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Replying to: steve_ (Dec 08, 2008 5:01 pm)

I would think that somewhere there are unbiased studies of the impact letting GM fold will have. I know it is complex with all the suppliers to suppliers etc etc. Not to mention all the donut shops near the plants going under.
 
It just looks to me like the guy losing his job at a dealership in CA or NY will not get any benefit from a bailout. In essence the bailout is supposed to kill off more jobs at the periphery of the auto kingdom. And the money will all go to the core group in Detroit. The very people that caused the demise of the US auto industry to start with.

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