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GM in Automotive News by joel0622
Dec 02, 2008 (1:41 pm)
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GM offers cuts in brands, salaries, debt, payroll
 
Harry Stoffer
 
Automotive News | December 2, 2008 - 3:17 pm EST
 
WASHINGTON -- The General Motors of 2012 will have fewer brands and nameplates, thousands fewer dealers and employees, and much less debt on its balance sheet, under a restructuring plan GM gave Congress today.
 
GM will focus on its "core brands" of Chevrolet, Buick, GMC and Cadillac, the plan says. GM will sell Saab, shrink Pontiac to a niche brand and consider selling or closing Saturn, GM President Fritz Henderson told reporters at a briefing today.
 
GM also plans to trim its U.S. dealerships from today’s 6,450 to about 4,700, Henderson said. It will cut about one-third of the nameplates from its vehicle lineup.
 
GM executives say the plan will enable the company to be profitable even if the U.S. new-vehicle market makes only a modest recovery.
 
GM, like Ford Motor Co. and Chrysler LLC, submitted its plan in an effort to persuade Congress and the Bush administration to approve $25 billion in emergency loans to the Detroit 3 this month.
 
In the starkest acknowledgment GM has made of its financial condition, the company says it needs $4 billion in federal aid by the end of the month.
 
Henderson, in a briefing with reporters today, refused to say what would happen if GM does not get the immediate aid it seeks. But without government support, he warned, "the company cannot fund its operations."
 
Request: $18 billion
 
GM’s plan asks Congress for $12 billion in loans by the end of March. It seeks another $6 billion in revolving credit if market conditions don’t turn around.
 
The total request is higher than the $10 billion to $12 billion that GM CEO Rick Wagoner requested of lawmakers during congressional hearings two weeks ago.
 
Henderson called the GM plan “a blueprint for creating a new General Motors -- one that is leaner, profitable, self-sustaining and fully competitive.” Among its key features:
 
• Reducing the number of GM brands and nameplates, a step GM critics have demanded for years.
 
Henderson said GM will seek a buyer for Saab. Pontiac will be shrunk to a “specialty, niche” brand, Henderson said. GM already has put Hummer up for sale.
 
Under its franchise agreement with Saturn dealers, GM will seek a new course for that brand, Henderson said. Asked whether GM would sell or fold Saturn, he said he would not eliminate any options.
 
The brand “is just not successful,” Henderson said.
 
The number of GM nameplates would drop from 63 today to about 40 by 2012, Henderson added.
 
• Trimming GM’s 6,450 U.S. dealerships to about 4,700.
 
Most reductions would occur in metropolitan areas, Henderson said.
 
• Reopening talks with the UAW to cut manufacturing costs further.
 
Henderson declined to identify the additional concessions GM will seek. But he said GM expects to be fully competitive in labor costs with Toyota Motor Corp. by 2012.
 
Henderson estimated GM’s total U.S. head count would drop from today’s 96,000 employees to between 65,000 and 75,000.
 
• Negotiating with lenders and bondholders to remove about $35.6 billion in debt from GM’s books. At the end of September, the company owed $66 billion. Henderson said that debt load is too heavy.
 
GM aims to achieve through negotiation the kind of debt reduction that otherwise might occur in bankruptcy, Henderson said. The plan probably will involve some exchange of debt for stock.
 
Breakeven: 13 million sales
 
Under its plan, GM would break even if U.S. light-vehicle sales recover to just 12.5 million to 13 million cars and trucks a year, Henderson said. Over the past few months, the annualized U.S. sales rate has been less than 11 million units. From 1999 to 2007, the industry sold more than 16 million new cars and trucks each year.
 
In its plan, GM also agreed to have a government oversight board monitor use of the federal money. Taxpayers would get a stake in the company in exchange for the loans.
 
After last month’s congressional hearings, House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., chastised the Detroit 3 CEOs for failing to make an adequate case for federal aid.
 
The leaders demanded that the Detroit 3 tell Congress in detail how they would use federal loans and how they would make themselves viable for the long term.
 
Reacting to lawmakers’ complaints that the companies’ CEOs came to Washington last month in separate corporate jets, Wagoner is scheduled to return to the capital this week in a Chevrolet Malibu Hybrid.
 
Wagoner has agreed to accept a salary of $1 next year. The GM plan includes cuts in pay for other senior executives, and the company says it is ceasing use of its jets.
 
Committee hearings on the Detroit 3 loan requests are set for Thursday in the Senate and Friday in the House. As they did last month, the Detroit 3 CEOs and UAW President Ron Gettelfinger are expected to testify.
 
Reid and Pelosi have promised to call Congress back into session next week to consider the companies’ aid pleas if the viability plans are acceptable.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [kernick] by dave8697
Dec 02, 2008 (1:46 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Dec 02, 2008 9:47 am)

Your comment did not say it was turbocharged. I still can't find info on it. The pull down list under mazda on edmunds shows the speed3 but not the speed6.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [kdhspyder] by cooterbfd
Dec 02, 2008 (1:54 pm)
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Replying to: kdhspyder (Dec 02, 2008 7:44 am)

"Your lack of knowledge is showing."
 
No, YOUR lack of knowledge of lemko is showing. He's being faceitious
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [kernick] by dave8697
Dec 02, 2008 (1:58 pm)
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Replying to: kernick (Dec 02, 2008 9:47 am)

I see the speed 3 weighs 3153 lbs and has a turbo 263 hp 2.3 liter. It can be had for $24,800 out the door at Edmunds TMV pricing and 7% sales tax. I can't find info on the 6 but $22,200 OTD seems like 15-20% off sticker.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [dave8697] by mpoisson1
Dec 02, 2008 (2:04 pm)
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Replying to: dave8697 (Dec 02, 2008 1:46 pm)

MazdaSpeed6 - that's because it is no longer in production. try Google.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [mpoisson1] by chikoo
Dec 02, 2008 (2:08 pm)
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Replying to: mpoisson1 (Dec 02, 2008 2:04 pm)

http://www.mazdausa.com/MusaWeb/displayPage.action?pageParameter=mazdaSpeedVehic- lesMazdaspeed6&bhcp=1
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [chikoo] by fezo
Dec 02, 2008 (2:28 pm)
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Replying to: chikoo (Dec 02, 2008 2:08 pm)

I'm kind of disappointed in GM's plan as I see it. "Shrink Pontiac to a niche brand?" What the heck is it now? Of course they are saying that Buick, with three models, is a core brand. I am confused. Heck, there are more models of Saabs than that.
 
I don't know. Ford looks like they have a plan. GM's looks an awfully lot like the SNL skit.
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [fezo] by gagrice
Dec 02, 2008 (4:04 pm)
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Replying to: fezo (Dec 02, 2008 2:28 pm)

Ford looks like they have a plan. GM's looks an awfully lot like the SNL skit
 
I read that plan also. Unless some serious concessions come from the executives and the UAW, it look like business as usual. What happens if they don't get $4 billion this month. I say no loans for GM. If Ford wants a credit line to fall back on that would be good. GM is toast. I just do not believe the doom scenario being shoved down our throats. How does less than 96,000 GM employees losing their jobs balloon to 3 million?
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Re: Car Pool to Washington [gagrice] by joel0622
Dec 02, 2008 (4:07 pm)
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Replying to: gagrice (Dec 02, 2008 4:04 pm)

Wonder what happens if they like one or two plans and don't like the other?
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Re: GM in Automotive News [joel0622] by gagrice
Dec 02, 2008 (4:20 pm)
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Replying to: joel0622 (Dec 02, 2008 1:41 pm)

Let me get this straight. GM is going to cut 1/3rd of their nameplates and about 2000 of its dealers. Do they plan to sell as many vehicles as they did before? If not I was just reading an article from 2005 that says each GM vehicle has $1600 in legacy costs to retirees pension and health care. Each car less they sell makes that price higher per vehicle. How are they going to get out of those obligations with the plan they have laid out? Now they are losing twice as much with no chance of regaining any market share. That just will not happen. They will keep losing market share with nothing to stop the bleeding.
 
Why GM's Plan Won't Work ...and the ugly road ahead May 2005
And make no mistake, GM is in a horrible bind. That $1.1 billion loss in the first quarter doesn't begin to tell the whole story. The carmaker is saddled with a $1,600-per-vehicle handicap in so-called legacy costs, mostly retiree health and pension benefits. Any day now, GM is likely to get slapped with a junk-bond rating. GM has lost a breathtaking 74% of its market value -- some $43 billion -- since spring of 2000, giving it a valuation of $15 billion. What really scares investors is that GM keeps losing ground in its core business of selling cars. Underinvestment has left it struggling to catch up in technology and design. Sales fell 5.2% on GM's home turf last quarter as Toyota Motor Corp. (TM ), Nissan Motor Co. (NSANY ), and other more nimble competitors ate GM's lunch. Last month, CEO G. Richard "Rick" Wagoner Jr. and his team gave up even guessing where they'll stand financially at the end of this year.
 
Worst of all, GM reached a watershed in its four-decade decline in market share. After losing two percentage points of share over the past year to log in at 25.6%, GM has reached the point at which it actually consumes more cash than it brings in making cars, for the first time since the early '90s. GM, once the world's premier auto maker, is now cash-flow-negative. That's a game changer. Without growth, GM's strategy of simply trying to keep its factories humming and squeaking by until its legacy costs start to diminish is no longer tenable. If market share continues to slip, its losses will rapidly balloon.

 
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/05_19/b3932001_mz001.htm

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